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Followup: Wings & Weber Trade Talks, Maybe Not So Much

Chuck Pleiness reports that, while the Wings had conversations with Shea Weber’s agent, they were never in trade talks with the Predators. Pleiness has that from a source that’s contradicting the always-reliable Darren Dreger, so take it as you will.

If Pleiness’ source is telling the truth, though, it gets more depressing than that: Weber’s side apparently had no interest in getting to the negotiation stage with the Wings. So, it may be that it’s not so much the Flyers beat the Wings to the punch, but that they flat out beat them. By this story, the Wings were more open to an offer sheet than we’ve been lead to believe, if they were talking to Weber’s agent.

I guess Weber took the Parise route of not wanting to compete directly with his former team if he were to leave.

This makes coming so close to Suter, yet striking out, that much more painful. Ryan was at least interested in coming here. Ugh.

Flyers Offer Sheet Weber Out From Under The Wings’ Nose

Huge news broke around 1:00 AM last night: the Flyers got Shea Weber to sign a 14-year offer sheet worth upwards of $100 million. Just below that in the “huge news” category is that the Predators had been in trade talks with a group of teams that included the Red Wings. The Flyers just got tired of waiting, apparently.

Now the question is whether or not the Predators will match. They’ve always made it clear they would match any offer, but Josh Cooper points out even that certainty was limited by the up front money. Darren Dreger points out that it could be as much as $26 million in the first year. That could be a squeeze for the Predators and it may be telling that they haven’t matched it yet. They’ve got a week, but if matching is automatic, they’ve had plenty of time already.

But even if they do eventually match, this is exactly the kind of thing the Flyers should be doing: using the means available to them per the CBA to better their team. It may not pay off, but if it does, it may be the deal of the summer.

It’s something the Wings should have gone for, given the reality of Life After Lidstrom, if for no other reason. I’m curious what assets were discussed in the trade talks, but mostly I’m disappointed that this wasn’t seen as a usable strategy by a team desperately in need of a top pairing defenseman. The Predators may be even more inclined to match an offer from the Wings, but this is one of those cases where you leave no stone un-turned.

But what’s done is done. Now we get to enjoy the hilarity of the NHL’s CBA negotiation demands juxtaposed with one of the most powerful franchises from a Board of Governors standpoint offering Shea Weber the moon. I guess that sorta makes it worth it.

On A Weber Offer Sheet Moon Shot

Update (10:22 AM): Alright, looks like the Wings couldn’t just turn around and extend Weber before the new CBA goes into effect. Per the CBA, Artile 50.5 (f)(iv):

A Player who is party to a one-year SPC may not enter into an “extension” of such SPC prior to January 1 of the League Year covered by such SPC.

So, unless long, low-cap hit deals somehow survive (lots of teams do them, so it’s not impossible—but it is unlikely), Weber’s not really going to be that affordable. So, pretty much nevermind this.

And I’m suddenly feeling a lot less positive about the possibility of landing him as a UFA next summer, too. Edit: Weber would command the league max or close to it and, without the cap hit flattening effects of a long-term deal, the Wings have too many other cap commitments to easily pay out that much for more than this year. So if he ends up being a UFA, he’s going to be a tough fit at best. - Matt

CapGeek (@capgeek) enables fan craziness:

Forwards

Filppula ($3.000m)—Datsyuk ($6.700m)—Franzen ($3.955m)
Cleary ($2.800m)—Zetterberg ($6.083m)—Samuelsson ($3.000m)
Nyquist ($0.875m)—Helm ($2.125m)—Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Miller ($0.838m)—Emmerton ($0.533m)—Tootoo ($1.900m)
Mursak ($0.550m)—Eaves ($1.200m)

Defensemen

Kronwall ($4.750m)—Weber ($14.200m)
White ($2.875m)—Ericsson ($3.250m)
Kindl ($0.883m)—Quincey ($3.250m)
Smith ($0.875m)

Goaltenders

Howard ($2.250m)
Gustavsson ($1.500m)

Totals

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000
CAP PAYROLL: $69,467,045
BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $732,955

Weber gets the max cap hit, with one possible salary structure being $1 million in base, $13.2 million in a lockout-proof signing bonus (to make it both attractive to him and more difficult for Nashville to be able to match). Edit: I should add that the idea would obviously be to very quickly sign him to a long-term deal that would bring his cap hit to a more reasonable number. They’d have to do that as soon as possible because the new CBA is sure to clamp down on those kinds of deals. Weber is worth 4 first rounders if he can be locked up for years at a reasonable rate.

No Holmstrom (retired). No Abdelkader (redundant). No Brunner (reassigned).

No Semin. No Doan. No Nash. No Ryan. The Wings go with an emphasis on defense.

Quincey gets a minor raise just because CapGeek recommended it (looking at his production, I’m not even sure he’s due that much).

Emmerton sticks around because of the center problem.

Smith and Kindl are interchangeable.

Obviously, this almost certainly doesn’t happen. But it would be possible.