Looks like Jimmy Howard won’t be seeing hand specialist until tomorrow.
— Ted Kulfan (@tkulfan) February 7, 2012
So I guess we have to wait just a little longer to find out what the damage is.
Looks like Jimmy Howard won’t be seeing hand specialist until tomorrow.
— Ted Kulfan (@tkulfan) February 7, 2012
So I guess we have to wait just a little longer to find out what the damage is.
The Jimmy Howard injury has put the fact that the Wings are screwed without him front and center. And it has jumpstarted the debate: do the Wings need a #1B or a #2 goaltender to go with Jimmy?
I’m defining #1B as one half of a Luongo/Schneider or Rask/Thomas combo, the kind of guy you could be about as comfortable with in the playoffs as you are with Jimmy. A #2 guy is a traditional backup, the kind of guy who spells your #1 guy during the regular season and who charts faceoffs just about no matter what in the playoffs.
Add Joey MacDonald to the mix and you’ve got three ways forward (four if you count Conklin, but who is?).
I see a #1B guy as out of reasonable reach, 1) because who’s trading a starter at the deadline and 2) the cost is sure to be high for those that are available. And I see a #2 guy as relatively pointless: you deal an asset for a guy who may only be a marginal improvement over Joey MacDonald and he’s still not a viable tool in the playoffs.
Boston and Vancouver get to have that kind of strength in net because it more or less happened organically. The chips didn’t fall that way for the Wings. So they may need to go the traditional one horse route for the playoffs, unless they’re willing to get in on a deal that will equivalently diminish another aspect of the team on the off chance that they might need another goaltender in the playoffs.
I say, assuming his promising outing Saturday night doesn’t turn out to be an anomaly, Joey MacDonald may present the best way forward in terms of setting Jimmy up to succeed in the playoffs. If he can prove to be the kind of guy who can spell Howard down the stretch, the Wings are golden.
What they need is a guy who can take care of Jimmy’s nights off now. And Mac may be that guy.
Update (1:39 PM): And now we have the source of the injury. Lapierre’s one credited shot of the night appears in the play-by-play at 1:39 of the third period. - Matt
Update (12:28 PM): The latest, via Khan. So that’s good. - Matt
Update (10:07 AM): Press release from the team confirms the Joey Mac recall and the Howard right-hand injury. They say he’ll miss at least the next two games, and that he’ll be reevaluated when the team gets back to Detroit on Tuesday.
The two week timeline came from somewhere, but the team’s not making it official yet, at least. - Matt
Update (9:56 AM):
Word is Jimmy Howard has a broken pinkie, should be out about 2 weeks or so…
— Pierre LeBrun (@Real_ESPNLeBrun) February 3, 2012
So, it’s not killer (i.e. long-term), if that’s true. The Wings’ schedule over the next two weeks isn’t terrible, either. But there’s this counterpoint (and part two). Yep.
We’ll see if Conklin can rise to the occasion. The Wings can’t afford to fall back much at all as tight as the race is.
Also, George notes it’s his right hand, since he remembers the circumstances leading up to Jimmy’s trip to the bench. - Matt
Following up @aaronward_nhl and news on Jimmy Howard injury. It’s suspected Howard suffered a broken finger.#TSN
— Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) February 3, 2012
No press release from the Wings yet or record of the move on the AHL website. But there’s no reason to disbelieve Ward. No confirmation from Detroit media yet. They’re probably still out of action thanks to the time difference.
Jimmy was at the bench in the third period, though at the time it seemed to be an equipment issue. Piet Van Zant was there, however, which is never a good sign even though Jimmy went back to the crease and finished the game.
Ugh. Ugh. Doesn’t even begin to cover it.
Assuming Ward’s report is right, it is possible that it’s not something that’ll keep him out too long. But this is where the Wings complete lack of a capable (thus far) backup could really come back to bite them.
Ugh.
Red Wings reach NHL All-Star break with most points. Wings won Stanley Cup the last two times they led NHL in points at the All-Star break
— John Buccigross (@Buccigross) January 26, 2012
Okay, “totally useless” may be overstating it. We’ll see.
Last night:
And Kindl was a -3 in what will likely be his last game for a while… RT @wingingitmotown: Danny Cleary was a +1
— The Production Line (@TPLhockey) January 26, 2012
@TPLhockey @wingingitmotown I guess Commodore did comparatively TEAR IT UP with his one point. Yeesh, Jakub.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings He looked like shit, too. But not as often as Kindl. @wingingitmotown
— The Production Line (@TPLhockey) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey Commodore has consistently been more comforting on the ice than Kindl
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Yeah, but do you sit Kindl and stunt his growth or endure growing pains? Don’t see Wings giving up on him.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings@TPLhockey at this point he’s on the trading block for me.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Halfway through his first full NHL season? Harsh.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown I don’t think the gap is that wide, but if a current player has to go at the deadline, it’s Kindl. @onthewings
— The Production Line (@TPLhockey) January 26, 2012
@onthewings All that said, I’d rather hang on to him. I think there’s something there. @wingingitmotown
— The Production Line (@TPLhockey) January 26, 2012
@TPLhockey @wingingitmotown You’d trade an invested, drafted young asset over Commodore?
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings Not happily. And it has more to do with Commodore’s (lack of) value than Kindl’s (lack of) potential. @wingingitmotown
— Michael Petrella (@mpetrella) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @onthewings LAST SEASON was supposed to be his first full NHL season. He couldnt’ even outplay Ericsson to earn his spot.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey going to his inability to beat out noted Babcockian/Hollandian mancrush object Ericsson is hardly fair.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey if we’re going the route of bringing Babs/Holland & their opinions into it, I’ll remind you of their pedigree.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey I would like to remind you of it as well, then. Kindl not beating out Ericsson literally means nothing.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey What trade value does Commodore have?
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Plenty, if he’s so much more worthy of a lineup spot than Kindl is.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey be serious.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey I’m not the one proposing giving up on a guy the Wings drafted and groomed. Who’s not being serious?
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Look, realistically, neither Kindl or Commodore are enough to on their own entice another team in a deal.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Or at least in a deal that would result in a meaningful addition for the Wings.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey what’s your point? You throw Kindl into a package & he’s worth more than Commodore on future value.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey I’d happily throw Kindl into a package that brings back a true top six forward
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey I know the current wet dream is Parise, but I prefer D assets. Especially on no more 1/2 season’s evidence.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey July 1 is after the playoffs.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey The Wings’ current & future problem is lack of offense, right?
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey This is about the long view. I’m not as concerned about offense going forward as I am about defense.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Kindl may not pan out, but on the other hand, he could be a big part of the future. Org. D pipeline isn’t full.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Meanwhile, they’ve got a few potentially good forwards coming up.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey that which can be purchased on July 1 is no different. I’m not sold on Kindl’s upside vs. what we can get in FA
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey If they lose both Nick and Stuart, they’d have to have a particularly successful off-season on the market.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey There are other teams who’ll be gunning for guys like Suter. Why toss a guy you have on that chance?
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey The Wings are a huge draw, but it’s not a lock that they’ll just sew up the best or 2nd or 3rd best on market
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Meanwhile they’ve GOT a promising kid who’s still green & in need of the patience they typically give their kids
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey but it’s a lock that they can buy whatever they want forward-wise?
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey No, it’s not. Did not mean to imply that. They don’t need to anyway. Org emphasis is typically on shoring up D
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Need to wrap this up—good debate.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey agreed. Thanks for the discussion.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
Update (1:14 PM): Followup this afternoon:
@onthewings @TPLhockey Thinking more on our talk. You made some good points about Kindl’s remaining upside. I’ll amend my stance. (cont’d)
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey I’d trade Kindl in a package for a true #1 D-Man or a true top-3 forward. No middle-of-the-road guys, no prospects.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey If a chance like that came up & the guys coming over were sufficiently young, yeah, have to take it.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey I mean, obviously if the other GM would take Commie & a higher draft pick instead of Kindl, then I’d do that instead
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown For that kind of return, you’d have to move Kindl. I REALLY like Kindl, so I’d prefer to keep him. @onthewings
— The Production Line (@TPLhockey) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown But a top 2 D or a useful forward coming the other way? You have to make that deal. @onthewings
— The Production Line (@TPLhockey) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Fair enough.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
Just spoke with Pavel Datsyuk who says he wants to be the last pick in the All-Star fantasy draft. “I want the car,” he said.
— Craig Custance (@CraigCustance) January 21, 2012
A Honda?
Ken Holland on @nhlhomeice “Lidstrom wanted a few days off during the break & he’s looking forward to a few days off to rest the batteries.”
— Josh Rimer (@JoshRimerHockey) January 12, 2012
No surprise there.