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Bobby Orr Enters the Debate

Update (1:12 PM, 11. Nov): Sisu Hockey has a good breakdown of the charging penalty here. As he says at the end, the League already has a mechanism in place to deal with this thing. They just aren’t using it. (via A2Y) - Matt

Update (7:25 PM): A later edition of the same McKenzie column has more from Orr:

“I just think in today’s game, with the crackdown on hooking and holding and interference, we have to call penalties for hitting people in the head,” Orr said. “Think about it, you can’t touch a guy anywhere with your stick without getting a penalty, you can’t make a little tug or get in a guy’s way, but you can hit him in the face and knock him unconscious and there’s no penalty for it. There’s something wrong there.”

Also, Bob McKenzie had some good points himself. Here’s one:

In a recent Detroit-Edmonton game, Wings’ defenceman Danny Markov leveled Oiler forward Jarret Stoll with a clean open ice hit, shoulder to chest, that knocked Stoll upside down, but without any injury. Late in that game, Oiler forward Ethan Moreau attempted to fight Markov. Never mind that Moreau dislocated his shoulder and will be out five months, in the hockey vernacular, he was sending a message to Markov and the Oilers that they weren’t about to let the clean, open-ice hit go without a response. This, according to many traditionalists, is what the game is all about.

Which is what Oiler defenceman Steve Staios was doing in the first period of Tuesday’s game when he dropped the gloves and fought Markov, who readily accepted the invitation. Staios, in his mind, was settling a two-week old score.

Later in the game, of course, Torres leveled Williams with the devastating check that has widely been accepted as legal. The Wings did not respond with retribution of any kind, unless you consider a 3-0 shutout win as a form of payback. Some of the same people who lauded the Oilers for their payback against Markov suggested there was no need for the Red Wings to do the same against Torres. It was a clean hit, after all.

It would appear there’s an incongruity there, but that’s not unusual in the game of hockey.

What, Bob? The Wings aren’t wimps because they didn’t go after Torres? What a novel idea! - Matt

After the Torres hit on Jason Williams, which sent the Red Wings forward to the hospital, and a few similar hits have occurred this season, the debate on what a legal hit is has escalated. Now entering the debate is legend Bobby Orr, via TSN.

He calls for the elimination of all hits to the head, regardless of legality within the current set of rules: “I don’t want to see hitting taken out of the game, I love hitting in hockey, but if someone puts his shoulder into a player’s face, if he puts anything — an arm, an elbow, a glove — I think that player should get a penalty. Definitely, it should be a penalty. We are having players getting knocked unconscious before they even hit the ice and carried off on stretchers. How can that be legal? When did hitting someone in the head with your shoulder or any part of your body become part of the rules? Anything above the neck, it’s wrong.

Hey, I got hit a lot when I played and I didn’t get hit in the head with checks. Players didn’t always hit like that. To me, that’s not part of bodychecking. I mean, don’t you have to be responsible for your actions? If you hit a guy in the face with your stick by accident, you’re going to get a penalty. Two minutes, four minutes, five minutes, something. If you go to bodycheck a guy and you hit him in the face or head, and injure him, that’s legal? That’s fair? That’s not a penalty? I’m sorry, I don’t think that is right. It should be a penalty.

On head contact in the NHL

Update (1:27 PM, 11. Nov): Dave at Gorilla Crouch has a good idea: “I think the league needs to look into developing better helmets.” That would definitely help, but I wonder how the players would react. We’ve already seen how little they want to have visors imposed on them, and a new helmet may get a similar reaction. That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be worth doing, however. - Matt

According to CBC, the League GMs met in Toronto on Tuesday, and viewed a tape of various hits similar to that of Raffi Torres on Jason Williams. They were asked whether or not they thought the NHL was handling the issue of hits to the head properly. The answer, apparently, was yes.

“… we have to be careful because we’re not allowing low hits, if we eliminate all hits to the upper body, what’s left? Hits to the belly button? We can’t forget we are a physical game.”

Wait a second. I thought we were talking about hits to the head. Who said anything about eliminating “all hits to the upper body”? No one, as far as I know.

My position on the issue is this: the NHL is in danger of being crimminally negligent if they insist on hiding behind the assertion that hits to the head are inseperable from upper body hits. How can anyone say or imply that with a straight face?

In football, a sport even more physical than hockey, a defensive player cannot lay out a quarterback with helmet-to-helmet contact, nor can he hit the QB after the release of the ball if he has any ability to avoid the hit. This is especially true in college football but it goes to for the NFL as well. In no way do such rules detract from the physical nature of football. Rather, they protect players from unnecessary violence and keep the hitting within certain bounds while still allowing for some pretty spectacular contact.

There is no helmet-to-helmet contact in the NHL, but there are sometimes body checks to the head, such as what Torres dealt to Williams. Contrary to what the GMs might think, legislating these hits to the head would not mean removing upper body contact. It would mean a safer game and, by that, I mean a game without a potentially deadly, or seriously injuring, element. It woudn’t be safe like golf, if that’s the concern. Hockey can be physical without hits to the head, believe me. We see it all the time.

The traditionalists in authority within the League can try to further institutionalize potentially scandalous violence in the game, or they can protect their players (not just the stars) by punishing head contact regardless of intent. As of now, they look for intent to injure only, rather than punishing all such hits.

How does it help the game’s image when someone flipping through the channels Wednesday night might have come across the picture of Williams lying limp in the corner with a team of paramedics, trainers, and doctors kneeling by him with a stretcher? If such a person were to have seen the replay and stuck around long enough to find out that Torres was not penalized in any way, they may very well have been shocked and perhaps their pre-existing Slap Shots-esque perception of hockey would have been enforced. A similar situation in the NFL or NCAA would have at least resulted in a 15-yard penalty, leaving the same viewer with at least sense of justice administered.

If a defensive lineman in football can be expected to pull up on a QB, who, mind you, he is supposed to tackle with all the speed and intensity in his being, an NHL player can be expected to avoid head contact when trying to knock someone off the puck.

Torres’ hit was legal within the current NHL rules. That doesn’t mean those rules are right.

What is it going to take for the League to see it?

More on Google-hosted NHL game video

Writing on the Globe and Mail’s hockey blog about the deal Google and the NHL announced yesterday, James Mirtle has a little detail that I had missed:

To celebrate its 89th season and this increased access to video content, the NHL will be offering its content for free — without ads — for the first two weeks of November.

So, will there be a charge after that point, or will there just be ads? If they start charging, then my excitement over the deal will be gone. I wouldn’t mind ads so much, though, as long as they were just text ads on the side or something, and not video ads that would add to an already long load time.

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Google and NHL announce video deal

Update (7:17 PM): I  was so excited about the game content that I neglected to mention the other aspect of this deal. The NHL will allow some select user-created content to be showcased on the site, therefore moving slightly away from the copyright police. - Matt

Paul Kukla has the details but here’s the important part:

The NHL will provide in-season full-length games on delay to Google Video at http://video.google.com/nhl.html. Google also will receive select NHL classic games.

Pretty cool, huh? Now there’s no excuse for missing a game. You can start here.

First impression? The sound sucks but that may just be my computer. I was disappointed to see that it’s Fox Sports Southwest instead of FSN Detroit for the Dallas game, but I’m more than willing to put up with it.

Vancouver GM Nonis speaks out

Dave Nonis isn’t on my list of outspoken GMs (at least, not like Brian Burke was when he was in Vancouver), but he had a lot to say at a BC Chamber of Commerce meeting today, speaking out against the NHL’s free agency age and the scheduling format. When talking about free agency (and making some good points, by the way), he, of course, found a way to fit in some jealousy of the Wings:

“The Detroit Red Wings could have a five-year run if they did a good job of recruiting, trading, drafting and developing. You could keep those players together.”

What, Dave, you mean the Wings could spend a lot of money to keep guys in town while other teams stood around with empty pockets? Are you, a GM of a small market team, actually saying that was a good thing? Hmm.

And, yes, Dave, the new NHL scheduling format sucks, but wouldn’t it be a little less special for Ovechkin or Crosby to come to town if they were doing it more often?
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Great resource: The Hockey Recap

If you’re looking for quick information on last night’s games, go here. (via Mirtle)

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Kubina may be suspended for shot at Hudler

Update (7:39 PM): The TSN article has been updated to say that Kubina has, in fact, been suspended for Toronto’s first regular season game. He’ll forfeit $26,737.97 in pay. - Matt

The Leafs’ Pavel Kubina was assessed a match penalty during last night’s exhibition game in Toronto (a 3-2 shootout win for the Wings) for a cross-check to Jiri Hudler’s face. Now, the league is reviewing the play and may suspend the defenseman for at least Toronto’s season opener against the Senators.

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I only caught a glimpse of the play while watching it live (I was distracted) but it seems pretty clear that Kubina ought to sit out at least one game. Hudler is the shorter player by a fair margin, Kubina has to control his stick, even when taking a cheap shot after the play. Hit him in the chest next time, Pavel.

TSN: Konowalchuk announces retirement

Yes, I know he’s a Colorado player but it’s relevant because Greg Johnson is in a similar position. I expect we’ll be hearing about his retirement pretty soon.

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Paul Kukla gets a slot on NHL.com

Interesting that the first hockey blogger to get their own NHL.com column is also a Wings fan. (fans of the 29 other teams can insert *evil laugh* here) Congratulations, Paul!

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The Wings’ 2006-2007 schedule

The NHL announced the schedule for next season today and that means we now know who and when the Wings will be playing.

They’ll open the season on October 5th, at home against the Canucks, making them the first team to face Roberto Luongo as a Canuck in regular season play.

They’ll get two of ten games against Eastern opponents out of the way early: on the 7th, they’ll head to Pittsburgh to face Sidney Crosby and Co., and after playing host to the Coyotes on the 11th, the Sabres will come to town on the 13th.

The Wings will face their first Central Division opponent on the 28th, St. Louis on the road.

November includes a three-game Western Canada road-trip beginning on the 14th in Vancouver and ending on the 18th in Edmonton, with a stop in Calgary in between, on the 17th.

They’ll face Toronto, Ottawa, and New Jersey on December 9th, 12th, 16th, and will have a home-away-home series with Minnesota on the 22nd, 23rd and 27th. That ought to be exciting… The annual New Year’s Eve game is against LA this season.

Montreal comes to town on January 15th and the Wings travel to Long Island to face the Islanders on the 30th. They’ll be back to that area on February 5th as they face Brendan Shanahan’s new team, the New York Rangers. They’ll close out their games against the East after playing Philadelphia on the road on February 12th and Dave Lewis’ new team, the Bruins, at home on March 11th.

The season ends with a pair of home-away series with Columbus and Chicago. The final game is at home against the Hawks on April 7th.

Click here for the complete Red Wings schedule.