Last night:
And Kindl was a -3 in what will likely be his last game for a while… RT @wingingitmotown: Danny Cleary was a +1
— The Production Line (@TPLhockey) January 26, 2012
@TPLhockey @wingingitmotown I guess Commodore did comparatively TEAR IT UP with his one point. Yeesh, Jakub.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings He looked like shit, too. But not as often as Kindl. @wingingitmotown
— The Production Line (@TPLhockey) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey Commodore has consistently been more comforting on the ice than Kindl
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Yeah, but do you sit Kindl and stunt his growth or endure growing pains? Don’t see Wings giving up on him.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings@TPLhockey at this point he’s on the trading block for me.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Halfway through his first full NHL season? Harsh.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown I don’t think the gap is that wide, but if a current player has to go at the deadline, it’s Kindl. @onthewings
— The Production Line (@TPLhockey) January 26, 2012
@onthewings All that said, I’d rather hang on to him. I think there’s something there. @wingingitmotown
— The Production Line (@TPLhockey) January 26, 2012
@TPLhockey @wingingitmotown You’d trade an invested, drafted young asset over Commodore?
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings Not happily. And it has more to do with Commodore’s (lack of) value than Kindl’s (lack of) potential. @wingingitmotown
— Michael Petrella (@mpetrella) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @onthewings LAST SEASON was supposed to be his first full NHL season. He couldnt’ even outplay Ericsson to earn his spot.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey going to his inability to beat out noted Babcockian/Hollandian mancrush object Ericsson is hardly fair.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey if we’re going the route of bringing Babs/Holland & their opinions into it, I’ll remind you of their pedigree.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey I would like to remind you of it as well, then. Kindl not beating out Ericsson literally means nothing.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey What trade value does Commodore have?
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Plenty, if he’s so much more worthy of a lineup spot than Kindl is.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey be serious.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey I’m not the one proposing giving up on a guy the Wings drafted and groomed. Who’s not being serious?
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Look, realistically, neither Kindl or Commodore are enough to on their own entice another team in a deal.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Or at least in a deal that would result in a meaningful addition for the Wings.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey what’s your point? You throw Kindl into a package & he’s worth more than Commodore on future value.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey I’d happily throw Kindl into a package that brings back a true top six forward
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey I know the current wet dream is Parise, but I prefer D assets. Especially on no more 1/2 season’s evidence.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey July 1 is after the playoffs.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey The Wings’ current & future problem is lack of offense, right?
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey This is about the long view. I’m not as concerned about offense going forward as I am about defense.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Kindl may not pan out, but on the other hand, he could be a big part of the future. Org. D pipeline isn’t full.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Meanwhile, they’ve got a few potentially good forwards coming up.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey that which can be purchased on July 1 is no different. I’m not sold on Kindl’s upside vs. what we can get in FA
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey If they lose both Nick and Stuart, they’d have to have a particularly successful off-season on the market.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey There are other teams who’ll be gunning for guys like Suter. Why toss a guy you have on that chance?
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey The Wings are a huge draw, but it’s not a lock that they’ll just sew up the best or 2nd or 3rd best on market
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Meanwhile they’ve GOT a promising kid who’s still green & in need of the patience they typically give their kids
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey but it’s a lock that they can buy whatever they want forward-wise?
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey No, it’s not. Did not mean to imply that. They don’t need to anyway. Org emphasis is typically on shoring up D
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Need to wrap this up—good debate.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey agreed. Thanks for the discussion.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
Update (1:14 PM): Followup this afternoon:
@onthewings @TPLhockey Thinking more on our talk. You made some good points about Kindl’s remaining upside. I’ll amend my stance. (cont’d)
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey I’d trade Kindl in a package for a true #1 D-Man or a true top-3 forward. No middle-of-the-road guys, no prospects.
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey If a chance like that came up & the guys coming over were sufficiently young, yeah, have to take it.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012
@onthewings @TPLhockey I mean, obviously if the other GM would take Commie & a higher draft pick instead of Kindl, then I’d do that instead
— Winging It In Motown (@wingingitmotown) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown For that kind of return, you’d have to move Kindl. I REALLY like Kindl, so I’d prefer to keep him. @onthewings
— The Production Line (@TPLhockey) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown But a top 2 D or a useful forward coming the other way? You have to make that deal. @onthewings
— The Production Line (@TPLhockey) January 26, 2012
@wingingitmotown @TPLhockey Fair enough.
— Matt Saler (@onthewings) January 26, 2012