Scott Niedermeyer: Garbage

Update (6:17 PM): In case you’re not reading the comments, check out Jason’s excellent response:

I didn’t even see that Niedermayer elbow until just now, but it doesn’t really surprise me. But this goes back to what I keep harping on about the powerplay. He’s so ridiculously easy to throw off his game the moment things don’t go his way–I remember last playoffs while the Ducks were in the midst of getting bounced by Dallas, late in a game he gets stripped of the puck and turns right around and takes a moronic cross checking penalty, in a clutch situation. This is what great leaders do, I guess? Well, this time Niedermayer does something stupid after game, but he’s done a lot of stupid stuff during games, and he will again in Game Seven (since I have to assume the league will show real *guts* this time (haha, trying to control my laughter here) and at most fine him all of a thousand buckeridoos for the incident, and maybe make him read a pamphlet called “Head Shots ‘R Bad, Mmkay?”), but the Wings have to make him, and Anaheim in general, pay for these stupid mistakes. Just that simple.

And frankly, I really don’t want ol’ Scotty Elbows sitting for game seven anyhow. I don’t want the Ducks to have that excuse when the Wings take the Cinderella Ducks to the ball and then as the clock strikes midnight watch them revert back to the poor ugly stepsister of the NHL that they really are. I want ol Scotty to have to lead his line of losers to shake a real captain’s hand, and to know it takes more than some ludicrous officiating, post-game goonery, wretched ice, mis-timed octopi tosses and whatever else to stop the better team from winning the series. I want the Wings to level their own justice, by finally finding that “11″ setting on their 10-level amp that we all know they have, and put the Ducks to bed in such a way as to leave no doubt whatsoever who the better team really is.

I’m excited.

The thought of the Wings pulling that off has be excited, too, in spite of the depression and doubt still left over from last night.

Also, John’s got a great suggestion here, but one that makes too much sense to be enacted by the League. - Matt

As if we needed any more evidence after two revealing series with his Ducks, here you go:

This is a guy who was the class of the NHL not many years ago. Look at what he’s become. He’s giving Chris Pronger a run for his money. Disgusting. If the NHL had any guts, any guts at all, he’d be watching Game 7 from the luxury box.

Scott Niedermeyer, as evidenced by that stunt as well as his selective memory in discussing it, has zero class.

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  1. Looks like my comment didn't go through.  Probably the subpar connection on my end, but in any event, I see that Malik put it better than I did anyway:

    Oh, gee, Scott Niedermayer doesn't know how he elbowed someone in the face–with a wind-up, and Getzlaf says that going after Marian Hossa's "part of the game."

    Like I said last night, the Ducks' leadership group showed its character by deciding that defeating the Red Wings wasn't enough. They showed that they have no character, no class, little backbone, and that they're punks sans intestinal fortitude. Their mothers are hamsters, and their fathers stink of elderberries.

    So Niedermayer thinks that "everyone is aware of what they are doing" on the ice, but also "doesn't know" how a sucker-elbow to a guy who wasn't doing anything started a fight.  Okay.

     

  2. Earl Sleek says:

    Some wise fellow said this a week ago:

    "I’m sick of this crap of the pot calling the kettle black. Are the Wings perfect little angels? No, they’re not. But the irony and hypocrisy of the Ducks calling them out as though they’re a bunch of goons flat out blows my mind."

  3. John W. says:

    Riiiiiight Earl, an inadvertant elbow to a guy behind you while trying to fight your way out of a hook, and a full, deliberate wind up aimed directly at someone's face AFTER the game is over is practically the same thing. Gimme a freaking break man, not even you Duck's fans can truely believe some of the things you write.

    I cannot believe how oblivious every Ducks fan, player, and coach SEEMINGLY is to the fact that the majority of the Duck's game plan is to try to beat up the opposing team. Yet you notice, all of the whining done by the actual teams is done by those very Ducks, while the Detroit organization refuses to stoop to that same sniveling when it would be justified if they did. What a complete joke.

  4. Matt Saler says:

    Deke,

    Sorry about that. Great quote from George, there. Yeah, Niedermeyer needs to get his story straight.

    Earl,

    There's a clear body language difference between the Holmstrom elbow and the Niedermeyer one. There's also the the simple fact that Holmstrom was not aware Wisniewski's presence, whereas Niedermeyers elbowed the very player which whom he was tied up. He knew what he was doing and who he was doing it to.

    I can't claim to be free of bias on this, so I asked a coworker to watch the same two replays I posted. Without any guidance from me, she said Niedermeyer's was intentional, and it looked like Holmstrom's wasn't, but she had trouble determining it based on the angle. So we have a definite one way and a maybe another. I'll take that, especially from someone wholly on the outside (i.e. not a hockey fan, looking at it without fan loyalty baggage). It's not scientific, but it's something.

    The incidents are entirely different and even if they were the same, one Red Wings elbow doesn't match the systemic goonery of the Ducks. This is a "[light grey kitchen item] calling the kettle black" situation.

  5. Jason says:

    I didn't even see that Niedermayer elbow until just now, but it doesn't really surprise me. But this goes back to what I keep harping on about the powerplay. He's so ridiculously easy to throw off his game the moment things don't go his way–I remember last playoffs while the Ducks were in the midst of getting bounced by Dallas, late in a game he gets stripped of the puck and turns right around and takes a moronic cross checking penalty, in a clutch situation. This is what great leaders do, I guess? Well, this time Niedermayer does something stupid after game, but he's done a lot of stupid stuff during games, and he will again in Game Seven (since I have to assume the league will show real *guts* this time (haha, trying to control my laughter here) and at most fine him all of a thousand buckeridoos for the incident, and maybe make him read a pamphlet called "Head Shots 'R Bad, Mmkay?"), but the Wings have to make him, and Anaheim in general, pay for these stupid mistakes. Just that simple.

    And frankly, I really don't want ol' Scotty Elbows sitting for game seven anyhow. I don't want the Ducks to have that excuse when the Wings take the Cinderella Ducks to the ball and then as the clock strikes midnight watch them revert back to the poor ugly stepsister of the NHL that they really are. I want ol Scotty to have to lead his line of losers to shake a real captain's hand, and to know it takes more than some ludicrous officiating, post-game goonery, wretched ice, mis-timed octopi tosses and whatever else to stop the better team from winning the series. I want the Wings to level their own justice, by finally finding that "11" setting on their 10-level amp that we all know they have, and put the Ducks to bed in such a way as to leave no doubt whatsoever who the better team really is.

    I'm excited.

  6. I am not a big fan of Neidermeyers and Pronger.  Good for Pavel for standing up for himself though.  He is a tough cookie I just don't want any of our stars getting hurt by something flukey.

  7. John W. says:

    I like what you are saying Jason, but my only problem is how do you make a team pay for something they do at the end of the game? That's why it is gutless on their part, it's the 2nd time after a win they started this crap, and because the game is over, there are no repercussions. I think the NHL at least needs a rule where any penalties after time expires are carried over to the next game. That would result in something along the lines of:

    Todd Marchant: out of the game (Game Misconduct)

    Corey Perry: out for the first 15 minutes of the game (Misconduct, fighting)

    Scott Niedermayer: out the first 5 minutes of the game (fighting)

    Pavel Datsyuk: out the first 5 minutes (fighting)

    Brian Rafalski: out the first 5 minutes (fighting)

    Corey Perry: additional 2 minutes (roughing)

    Ryan Getzlaf: 4 minutes (hooking, roughing)

    So let's see, that leads to a full 2 minutes of 5-3, followed by a 2 minute 5-4, with the Duck's best D-man and 2 best forwards out for significant time (including the entire PK), and their best defensive forward out for the whole game. I could live with losing Pav and Rafi for 5 minutes in exchange for that.

    Now that is a scenario in which the Ducks would have to pay dearly for that crap. And trust me, if that happened just once to one team, it would be the last post game scrum you would see for a very, very long time by any team.

  8. John W. says:

    I was thinking more about the end of game penalties, and does anyone know what the rule is about a Game Misconduct after time expires? It seems kind of silly to throw a guy out of a game when the game is over. Surely that at least has to be an automatic review by the league, right? If not, what is the point of handing a Game Misconduct out after time expires?

  9. Matt Saler says:

    John, it might be strictly for record keeping. Seems pretty empty, if that's all it is. I need to check the rulebook, though.

  10. Keith says:

    How about the league writing a rule so penalties are carried over from the game before? Obviously in the regular season it wouldn't work but if the Ducks had to start game 7 on the pk then this crap would be gone.

     

    Also, if Holmstrom's elbow equaled goon hit then Nedermeyer's was Chris Simon/Bertuzzi love child bad. Game was over, Datsyuk wasn't doing anything and Nedermeyer was clearly trying to hurt Datsyuk. Also, I know Perry is dirty than Pronger because he was the one that decided he'd punch the injured defenseman. Perry wants to look tough so he goes after the easiest guy. He always picks fights or acts "tough" when there are no fighters around him but as soon as a guy who fights is on the ice, Perry tries to hide or get away from the fighting. He's the NHL's biggest p#ssy. Someone (Jack Johnson) should kill him!

  11. Keith says:

    By kill I mean destroy. I'm not into threatening him. Following the Ovechkin stuff I want to clarify that.

  12. John W. says:

    "How about the league writing a rule so penalties are carried over from the game before? Obviously in the regular season it wouldn’t work but if the Ducks had to start game 7 on the pk then this crap would be gone."

    Stealing my ideas now are ya? ;) I played out that scenario out a few comments above at 4:51 pm

  13. Matt Saler says:

    Keith, your comments on Perry are dead on. He looks like the kind of guy I'd have to castrate if he tried to date my sister. And he plays like it too. What a loser.

  14. Ryan says:

    Meh, it was just a little elbow to the face.  No biggie.

     

    And yeah, I'm being serious.

  15. Matt Saler says:

    Ryan, I'd be willing to say I overreacted with my rhetoric, but I have to say I think you're underreacting. It was a little more than a "little elbow" and could have resulted in serious injury had he connect any more than he did. As frustrating as Datsyuk has been this series, I'd rather he not come within a hairsbreadth of of being knocked out of it.

  16. Pete K says:

    i agree totally with the characterization of niedermayer. it's a total joke that he is often put in the same class as nick lidstrom in terms of leadership, class, or defensive ability for that matter.

    and i was thinking the same thing about the end of game penalty rules, if only for the playoffs (that kind of stuff is much rarer in the regular season anyway). why you can commit penalties and not have it punished is completely beyond me.

  17. Keith says:

    Sorry Joh W. I was in class and was jumping through the comments. My dad brought it up after the game and I thought it was a good idea. I actually used to have a guy on my hockey team in hs/middle school that fought after and I always thought he should be in the box the next game.

  18. Bob says:

    Rafalski got five minutes for fighting?  I didn't know someone could jump you and you still get penalized.  It's like getting arrested for getting robbed by someone else…

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