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		<title>By: Game 4: @ Pittsburgh, 8:00 ET at On the Wings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Game 4: @ Pittsburgh, 8:00 ET at On the Wings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 17:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Game 3: @ Pittsburgh, 8:00 ET at On the Wings</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://onthewingsblog.com/2008/05/24/game-1-wings-4-penguins-0/#comment-57431</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 19:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, what made the whole interference call a bit silly was that Fleury looked to be going down into a butterfly to make the save--but got beat high. So Holmstrom's contact really didn't seem to make much of a difference on Fleury's ability to make the save: Fleury just plain got beat. Fleury's reaction just after that play too was not one of a goaltender who thought he had just been interfered with. But I can't crucify the officiating for this one, because, unlike them, I got to see a million replays and didn't have to make a call in the moment. Nor was it obviously a "make up" fabrication, unlike the Dallas incident. It's also a lot easier to swallow for Wings' fans considering the final outcome of the game. And what's really good to see is that it didn't affect the Wings' confidence at all; I think it may in fact even have made them more determined to win game one.

I will stand up for Tomas, though; penalty or not, he was doing his job--working hard around the net. He's tasked with playing a game of unique precision in the most chaotic area of the rink, and does it better than anyone. So it really wasn't stupid per se, in my eyes, Holmstrom's use of his stick on that play--rather just the result of a little overzealousness. And I'd much rather see him play with a little too much zeal there than not enough. He knows, and Babcock knows, that it's a risk assessment to do it, but more times than not it pays off for the Wings. His high-sticking penalty is another story--that was pretty stupid, but I digress.

Ultimately, if this was the regular season, I'd have been fine either way with the call that was made; in the post-season, however, and in the Finals in particular, it'd be nice, like Matt suggested in his pre-game write up, to just let the guys play unless a play is truly deserving of a penalty. But if officials are going to make those borderline calls, then just do it consistently, at both ends of the rink. That's all we fans really want, because there just seems to be too much coin-flipping involved these days when it comes to the goalie interference rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, what made the whole interference call a bit silly was that Fleury looked to be going down into a butterfly to make the save&#8211;but got beat high. So Holmstrom&#8217;s contact really didn&#8217;t seem to make much of a difference on Fleury&#8217;s ability to make the save: Fleury just plain got beat. Fleury&#8217;s reaction just after that play too was not one of a goaltender who thought he had just been interfered with. But I can&#8217;t crucify the officiating for this one, because, unlike them, I got to see a million replays and didn&#8217;t have to make a call in the moment. Nor was it obviously a &#8220;make up&#8221; fabrication, unlike the Dallas incident. It&#8217;s also a lot easier to swallow for Wings&#8217; fans considering the final outcome of the game. And what&#8217;s really good to see is that it didn&#8217;t affect the Wings&#8217; confidence at all; I think it may in fact even have made them more determined to win game one.</p>
<p>I will stand up for Tomas, though; penalty or not, he was doing his job&#8211;working hard around the net. He&#8217;s tasked with playing a game of unique precision in the most chaotic area of the rink, and does it better than anyone. So it really wasn&#8217;t stupid per se, in my eyes, Holmstrom&#8217;s use of his stick on that play&#8211;rather just the result of a little overzealousness. And I&#8217;d much rather see him play with a little too much zeal there than not enough. He knows, and Babcock knows, that it&#8217;s a risk assessment to do it, but more times than not it pays off for the Wings. His high-sticking penalty is another story&#8211;that was pretty stupid, but I digress.</p>
<p>Ultimately, if this was the regular season, I&#8217;d have been fine either way with the call that was made; in the post-season, however, and in the Finals in particular, it&#8217;d be nice, like Matt suggested in his pre-game write up, to just let the guys play unless a play is truly deserving of a penalty. But if officials are going to make those borderline calls, then just do it consistently, at both ends of the rink. That&#8217;s all we fans really want, because there just seems to be too much coin-flipping involved these days when it comes to the goalie interference rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Saler</title>
		<link>http://onthewingsblog.com/2008/05/24/game-1-wings-4-penguins-0/#comment-57430</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Saler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 17:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin,

Obviously the level of interference was marginal at best. I was merely trying to point out how the official saw it. 

As for my agreeing with the call, I happen to think there's no excuse for Holmstrom to have his stick on Fleury at that point, but that's just me. I'm not going to pretend that he never does anything wrong and that I don't think he did something stupid there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin,</p>
<p>Obviously the level of interference was marginal at best. I was merely trying to point out how the official saw it. </p>
<p>As for my agreeing with the call, I happen to think there&#8217;s no excuse for Holmstrom to have his stick on Fleury at that point, but that&#8217;s just me. I&#8217;m not going to pretend that he never does anything wrong and that I don&#8217;t think he did something stupid there.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://onthewingsblog.com/2008/05/24/game-1-wings-4-penguins-0/#comment-57429</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 17:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Matt, you seem to be the only person in the world (other than the NHL) who thinks it was a right call.

Here's one thing I look at to determine whether a goalie was really interfered with or not: the goalie's reaction after the goal is scored. Because every single time a goalie was TRULY interfered with, he will react angrily and start yelling and gesturing towards the referee.

Cases in point:

Game 1 of WCF vs. Dallas - Right after the Holmstrom goal that could've been legitimately waved off, Turco was angry and immediately turned towards the referee and complained.

Game 4 of WCF - After Datsyuk scored WITHOUT Holmstrom interfering, Turco looked like a goalie who knew he had been beat. He was calm and made no actions towards the ref.

Now look at Fleury after the Lidstrom shot went in. He simply reacts the same way he would to any other goal - he looks down in disappointment, composes himself, then gets up for a drink from his bottle. No anger, no frustration, no annoyance, and no immediate demands towards the official that the goal be waved off. Because he WASN'T interfered with at all, and had been beat cleanly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Matt, you seem to be the only person in the world (other than the NHL) who thinks it was a right call.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one thing I look at to determine whether a goalie was really interfered with or not: the goalie&#8217;s reaction after the goal is scored. Because every single time a goalie was TRULY interfered with, he will react angrily and start yelling and gesturing towards the referee.</p>
<p>Cases in point:</p>
<p>Game 1 of WCF vs. Dallas - Right after the Holmstrom goal that could&#8217;ve been legitimately waved off, Turco was angry and immediately turned towards the referee and complained.</p>
<p>Game 4 of WCF - After Datsyuk scored WITHOUT Holmstrom interfering, Turco looked like a goalie who knew he had been beat. He was calm and made no actions towards the ref.</p>
<p>Now look at Fleury after the Lidstrom shot went in. He simply reacts the same way he would to any other goal - he looks down in disappointment, composes himself, then gets up for a drink from his bottle. No anger, no frustration, no annoyance, and no immediate demands towards the official that the goal be waved off. Because he WASN&#8217;T interfered with at all, and had been beat cleanly.</p>
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		<title>By: Game 2: vs. Pittsburgh, 8:00 ET at On the Wings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Game 2: vs. Pittsburgh, 8:00 ET at On the Wings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 14:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is the second game of the Stanley Cup Finals. Detroit leads the series 1-0 after a 4-0 win over Pittsburgh Saturday [...]</description>
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		<title>By: drikfan</title>
		<link>http://onthewingsblog.com/2008/05/24/game-1-wings-4-penguins-0/#comment-57427</link>
		<dc:creator>drikfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 14:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What this whole "blown call" issue really brings to light is that we need to add this to the list of reviewable calls. The officials are simply making errors in too many of these situations. 

Looks like the Board of govs voted to NOT look at this issue this summer, but they are at least thinking about allowing a coaches challenge. Seems like a good middle ground to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What this whole &#8220;blown call&#8221; issue really brings to light is that we need to add this to the list of reviewable calls. The officials are simply making errors in too many of these situations. </p>
<p>Looks like the Board of govs voted to NOT look at this issue this summer, but they are at least thinking about allowing a coaches challenge. Seems like a good middle ground to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Saler</title>
		<link>http://onthewingsblog.com/2008/05/24/game-1-wings-4-penguins-0/#comment-57425</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Saler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 23:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan,

I was just trying to point out how the official saw it. It's an interpretation I happen to agree with, yes, but others are free to have their own interpretations. 

To me, it's just not black-and-white like the waived off goal in the Stars series. Unlike that time, there &lt;strong&gt;was&lt;/strong&gt; contact. It's just a matter of how it was interpreted. 

Obviously, the interpretation the official made was based on Holmstrom's reputation more than anything else. That &lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt; a problem and one that bothers me a lot as a Wings fan. But this was one instance where there seemed to me to be at least a grain of truth in the standard accusation against Holmstrom. 

Again, others are free to have their own interpretations of the play. I for one happened to agree with the call on the ice.

As you say, however, it didn't matter in the end and I am glad for that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan,</p>
<p>I was just trying to point out how the official saw it. It&#8217;s an interpretation I happen to agree with, yes, but others are free to have their own interpretations. </p>
<p>To me, it&#8217;s just not black-and-white like the waived off goal in the Stars series. Unlike that time, there <strong>was</strong> contact. It&#8217;s just a matter of how it was interpreted. </p>
<p>Obviously, the interpretation the official made was based on Holmstrom&#8217;s reputation more than anything else. That <strong>is</strong> a problem and one that bothers me a lot as a Wings fan. But this was one instance where there seemed to me to be at least a grain of truth in the standard accusation against Holmstrom. </p>
<p>Again, others are free to have their own interpretations of the play. I for one happened to agree with the call on the ice.</p>
<p>As you say, however, it didn&#8217;t matter in the end and I am glad for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 23:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I think the Holmstrom thing was in the realm of incidental contact, and the goal should have been allowed to stand. That said, I can see how the official on the ice might make that call. Definitely not as bad as Dallas, but it just annoys me that Homer gets so much crap for interfering when he's not, but it's okay for everyone on the other team to molest him to their heart's content. Whatever, we can beat the Pens even if we have to score two goals for every one that shows up on the scoreboard. Go Wings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I think the Holmstrom thing was in the realm of incidental contact, and the goal should have been allowed to stand. That said, I can see how the official on the ice might make that call. Definitely not as bad as Dallas, but it just annoys me that Homer gets so much crap for interfering when he&#8217;s not, but it&#8217;s okay for everyone on the other team to molest him to their heart&#8217;s content. Whatever, we can beat the Pens even if we have to score two goals for every one that shows up on the scoreboard. Go Wings!</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 23:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Matt, this issue of the contact made on Fleury is debatable. You think it was a good call, and apparently believe that's the only conclusion to come to. I don't think it is so cut and dry. I was at the game, so I couldn't really see what happened. But from what I've read and the minimal replays I've seen, I think that it's questionable either way. It may have been, it may not have been. In this sort of situation, I think what is seen is in the eye of the beholder. So to just blatantly tell everyone who believes it was a bad call that they're wrong is a bit over the top. In the end, it doesn't matter, but it's still annoying to see yet another goal waived off because of Holmstrom's position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Matt, this issue of the contact made on Fleury is debatable. You think it was a good call, and apparently believe that&#8217;s the only conclusion to come to. I don&#8217;t think it is so cut and dry. I was at the game, so I couldn&#8217;t really see what happened. But from what I&#8217;ve read and the minimal replays I&#8217;ve seen, I think that it&#8217;s questionable either way. It may have been, it may not have been. In this sort of situation, I think what is seen is in the eye of the beholder. So to just blatantly tell everyone who believes it was a bad call that they&#8217;re wrong is a bit over the top. In the end, it doesn&#8217;t matter, but it&#8217;s still annoying to see yet another goal waived off because of Holmstrom&#8217;s position.</p>
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