Comments on: Schooled by Sharks, Wings lose 9-4 http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/ by true Citizens of Hockeytown Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:42:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: GameDay: @ Phoenix (20-20-2, 42 Pts) 9:00 ET at On the Wings http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-6713 GameDay: @ Phoenix (20-20-2, 42 Pts) 9:00 ET at On the Wings Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:34:19 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-6713 [...] The Wings have had a long January road trip of their own, but it has gone almost entirely opposite of the Coyotes’. They dropped the first three games to San Jose (9-4), LA (4-2), and Anaheim (4-2), before finally getting a win Tuesday night in Colorado (4-3 SO). It was one of their better wins this season, despite the fact that they needed a shootout to get it due to somewhat iffy goaltending and a couple bad breaks. They will close out the trip tonight. [...] [...] The Wings have had a long January road trip of their own, but it has gone almost entirely opposite of the Coyotes’. They dropped the first three games to San Jose (9-4), LA (4-2), and Anaheim (4-2), before finally getting a win Tuesday night in Colorado (4-3 SO). It was one of their better wins this season, despite the fact that they needed a shootout to get it due to somewhat iffy goaltending and a couple bad breaks. They will close out the trip tonight. [...]

]]> By: GameDay: @ Anaheim (28-9-6, 62 Pts) 8:00 ET at On the Wings http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-6659 GameDay: @ Anaheim (28-9-6, 62 Pts) 8:00 ET at On the Wings Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:11:26 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-6659 [...] The Wings have a loss streak of their own going, having dropped their last two. The first was a supremely embarrassing 9-4 loss to the Sharks on Thursday, a game in which the Wings gave up 9 unanswered goals after jumping out to a 3-0 lead in the first. They also set a team record for most power play goals allowed in a game with 6. It was the most goals the Wings have given up since 1993. [...] [...] The Wings have a loss streak of their own going, having dropped their last two. The first was a supremely embarrassing 9-4 loss to the Sharks on Thursday, a game in which the Wings gave up 9 unanswered goals after jumping out to a 3-0 lead in the first. They also set a team record for most power play goals allowed in a game with 6. It was the most goals the Wings have given up since 1993. [...]

]]> By: GameDay: @ Los Angeles (15-22-5, 35 Pts) 10:30 ET at On the Wings http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-5980 GameDay: @ Los Angeles (15-22-5, 35 Pts) 10:30 ET at On the Wings Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:38:39 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-5980 [...] Register « Schooled by Sharks, Wings lose 9-4 [...] [...] Register « Schooled by Sharks, Wings lose 9-4 [...]

]]> By: Matt Saler http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-5979 Matt Saler Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:08:32 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-5979 In the pre-lockout NHL, a two-goal lead was supposed to be the hardest to keep. Since the lockout, the rule seems to be a three goal lead is the hardest. If that's true league-wide, the Wings seem to be extra susceptible to it. What I find interesting is how quickly Ron Wilson pulled Nabokov - he'd allowed just three goals and got yanked. Talk about a difference in philosophy between him and Babcock. The Wings are lucky Hasek isn't anything like Patrick Roy, who demanded a trade after his coach in Montreal kept him in for nine goals in 1995. In the pre-lockout NHL, a two-goal lead was supposed to be the hardest to keep. Since the lockout, the rule seems to be a three goal lead is the hardest. If that’s true league-wide, the Wings seem to be extra susceptible to it.

What I find interesting is how quickly Ron Wilson pulled Nabokov - he’d allowed just three goals and got yanked. Talk about a difference in philosophy between him and Babcock.

The Wings are lucky Hasek isn’t anything like Patrick Roy, who demanded a trade after his coach in Montreal kept him in for nine goals in 1995.

]]> By: Sarah Baker http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-4881 Sarah Baker Sat, 06 Jan 2007 06:47:28 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-4881 firebird - I don't think even the defense knows where they were on those goals. Hopefully they figure out what the heck their problem was before LA. And Hasek, well he doesn't deserve the blame, but he obviously wasn't having a real good night. I don't understand why Babcock didn't pull him while we still had a chance to win. It worked for San Jose, why not at least try a goalie switch? I think I heard that Gomez rumor earlier in December. I'm pretty sure it was more a case of something someone thought ought to happen as opposed to something that had actually been discussed or even thought about by either team. I wouldn't worry too much about it, especially since Dats seemed to be heating up of late (at least before he got injured...). It would be one thing if he continued to not produce, but I think as long as he's putting points up, the Wings will probably stick with him, despite the looming threat of a troublesome contract negotiation. Besides, apparently he's like Hank's magic slump cure (and vice versa), so the Wings can't really afford to part with him... Can't very well have one Euro twin, can you? Megan - I tried to look up the stats for Wins after having a three-goal-lead, but alas, I'm not Ken Daniels and I don't have a bottomless source of random stats. However, I do think I used to have a bit of a superstition about three goal leads before. Perhaps they are a problem for us. Maybe we just get too comfortable at that point. I too am completely baffled by Babcock's handling of last night's goaltending situation. I thought we wanted to rest Dom, not tire him out - why the heck would he leave him out during a blowout? Why not try a switch to give the team a spark? Surely he's not that afraid to put Ozzie in the net? I just don't get it at all. firebird - I don’t think even the defense knows where they were on those goals. Hopefully they figure out what the heck their problem was before LA. And Hasek, well he doesn’t deserve the blame, but he obviously wasn’t having a real good night. I don’t understand why Babcock didn’t pull him while we still had a chance to win. It worked for San Jose, why not at least try a goalie switch?

I think I heard that Gomez rumor earlier in December. I’m pretty sure it was more a case of something someone thought ought to happen as opposed to something that had actually been discussed or even thought about by either team. I wouldn’t worry too much about it, especially since Dats seemed to be heating up of late (at least before he got injured…). It would be one thing if he continued to not produce, but I think as long as he’s putting points up, the Wings will probably stick with him, despite the looming threat of a troublesome contract negotiation. Besides, apparently he’s like Hank’s magic slump cure (and vice versa), so the Wings can’t really afford to part with him… Can’t very well have one Euro twin, can you?

Megan - I tried to look up the stats for Wins after having a three-goal-lead, but alas, I’m not Ken Daniels and I don’t have a bottomless source of random stats. However, I do think I used to have a bit of a superstition about three goal leads before. Perhaps they are a problem for us. Maybe we just get too comfortable at that point.

I too am completely baffled by Babcock’s handling of last night’s goaltending situation. I thought we wanted to rest Dom, not tire him out - why the heck would he leave him out during a blowout? Why not try a switch to give the team a spark? Surely he’s not that afraid to put Ozzie in the net? I just don’t get it at all.

]]> By: Megan Hirdes http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-4880 Megan Hirdes Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:44:44 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-4880 Is it just me, or do the Wings tend to blow 3-goal leads? It just seems like whenever we jump out to a 3-goal lead, we blow it. Maybe that's just because we've done it twice in the last week. We won the first time, but we were playing Columbus. This time, we lost bitterly. And it seems like it's not just any lead we tend to blow. It's the 3-goal lead. Is there something scary about that number? If so, why can't we just always score a fourth goal? Or, if that seems like it's too much to ask, I'd be perfectly happy with a 2-goal lead, because we have a better chance of protecting that lead than if we scored another goal. Ok, I'll move on now. Generally, I think Babcock is a great coach. I respect his ability to change lines on the fly and use his instincts in that way. And it usually works. But on games like this, I start to wonder. I don't blame him for the defensive issues, don't get me wrong. He's not the one out there giving up the goals. But after your team has given up five unanswered goals, you pull your goalie. It doesn't matter if the goals were not the goaltender's fault. It does something to the team. And it's not like we have a backup who can't handle the job. We have two-time Stanley Cup winner Chris Osgood as our backup. Babcock is willing to bench players that aren't playing well, and he's more than willing to fiddle with the lines until something works. There's just one player he won't move--the goaltender. That is, until there is no longer any hope whatsoever of winning a game. What was the point of putting Ozzie in with eight minutes left when we were already five goals down? At that point, the game is lost. Put him in when we still have a chance - like when it's 5-3 (with 5 straight unanswered goals from the opposition) and a whole period left to play. Or if not then, at least when it's 6-3, still with plenty of time. Is it just me, or do the Wings tend to blow 3-goal leads? It just seems like whenever we jump out to a 3-goal lead, we blow it. Maybe that’s just because we’ve done it twice in the last week. We won the first time, but we were playing Columbus. This time, we lost bitterly. And it seems like it’s not just any lead we tend to blow. It’s the 3-goal lead. Is there something scary about that number? If so, why can’t we just always score a fourth goal? Or, if that seems like it’s too much to ask, I’d be perfectly happy with a 2-goal lead, because we have a better chance of protecting that lead than if we scored another goal.
Ok, I’ll move on now. Generally, I think Babcock is a great coach. I respect his ability to change lines on the fly and use his instincts in that way. And it usually works. But on games like this, I start to wonder. I don’t blame him for the defensive issues, don’t get me wrong. He’s not the one out there giving up the goals. But after your team has given up five unanswered goals, you pull your goalie. It doesn’t matter if the goals were not the goaltender’s fault. It does something to the team. And it’s not like we have a backup who can’t handle the job. We have two-time Stanley Cup winner Chris Osgood as our backup. Babcock is willing to bench players that aren’t playing well, and he’s more than willing to fiddle with the lines until something works. There’s just one player he won’t move–the goaltender. That is, until there is no longer any hope whatsoever of winning a game. What was the point of putting Ozzie in with eight minutes left when we were already five goals down? At that point, the game is lost. Put him in when we still have a chance - like when it’s 5-3 (with 5 straight unanswered goals from the opposition) and a whole period left to play. Or if not then, at least when it’s 6-3, still with plenty of time.

]]> By: anthony flores http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-4879 anthony flores Sat, 06 Jan 2007 02:45:41 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-4879 the redwings really dont match up well with the sharks.especially when the sharks stand them up at the blue line.forcing the wings to play a dump and chase game, is a bit much against the sharks superior size and strength along the boards.after the wings took advantage of the sharks early by skating in and seting up with little resistance.the sharks adjusted and began to play alot smarter by eliminating the red wings rush and transition attack.after throttling the wings attack the game began to turn and the sharks were able to force turnovers on both ends of the ice.this enabled the sharks to dictate play.which detoit really has no answer for.all the sharks goals came as the result of them controlling the wings defensivly allowing the sharks to spend the majority of the last 45 minutes creating offensivly.drawing alot of penelties and scoring more then should be leagally allowed under the law. the redwings really dont match up well with the sharks.especially when the sharks stand them up at the blue line.forcing the wings to play a dump and chase game, is a bit much against the sharks superior size and strength along the boards.after the wings took advantage of the sharks early by skating in and seting up with little resistance.the sharks adjusted and began to play alot smarter by eliminating the red wings rush and transition attack.after throttling the wings attack the game began to turn and the sharks were able to force turnovers on both ends of the ice.this enabled the sharks to dictate play.which detoit really has no answer for.all the sharks goals came as the result of them controlling the wings defensivly allowing the sharks to spend the majority of the last 45 minutes creating offensivly.drawing alot of penelties and scoring more then should be leagally allowed under the law.

]]> By: nuganuge http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-4878 nuganuge Sat, 06 Jan 2007 01:00:27 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-4878 Thursday's game was I think one of the most exciting games of Hockey I have seen in a long time. The anouncers before the game were all talking about how it would be a low scoring game due to the GAA of both starting goalies. That seemed to go out the window after the first 3 min. THe sharks came back though, which is all that matters. Perhaps the NHL will begin to give the sharks the respect they deserve. I just wonder how many other great teams the sharks will have to lay-out before people begin to recognize Thursday’s game was I think one of the most exciting games of Hockey I have seen in a long time. The anouncers before the game were all talking about how it would be a low scoring game due to the GAA of both starting goalies. That seemed to go out the window after the first 3 min.

THe sharks came back though, which is all that matters. Perhaps the NHL will begin to give the sharks the respect they deserve. I just wonder how many other great teams the sharks will have to lay-out before people begin to recognize

]]> By: firebird_995 http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-4877 firebird_995 Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:05:04 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2007/01/05/schooled-by-sharks-wings-lose-9-4/#comment-4877 Although I didn't see the game last night, it looked as if San Jose took a HUGE advantage of the powerplays. Were did Detriot's defense go shorthanded? Or was Hasek just playing that bad? Anyway, my big concern right now is a rumor I heard at work. I was told that the Wings were thinking about trading Pavel Datsyuk for Scott Gomez. Although this was only a rumor, I was wondering if any of you heard the same thing. Although I didn’t see the game last night, it looked as if San Jose took a HUGE advantage of the powerplays. Were did Detriot’s defense go shorthanded? Or was Hasek just playing that bad?

Anyway, my big concern right now is a rumor I heard at work. I was told that the Wings were thinking about trading Pavel Datsyuk for Scott Gomez. Although this was only a rumor, I was wondering if any of you heard the same thing.

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