Comments on: Wings 3, Oilers 0 http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/11/09/wings-3-oilers-0/ by true Citizens of Hockeytown Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:04:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: 11/28 Notes at On the Wings http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/11/09/wings-3-oilers-0/#comment-1092 11/28 Notes at On the Wings Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:45:30 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/11/09/wings-3-oilers-0/#comment-1092 [...] Update (12:37 PM): George Malik links to a Windsor Star piece that points out that the Wings’ miserable power play isn’t operating in a vacuum: teams know they won’t have to pay for cheap shots as long as they’re facing the league’s worst PP percentage. I can’t disagree, though only one of the three big injury-causing cheap shots so far this season (Wiliams 1, Franzen, Williams 2 below) has resulted in a Detroit power play. Kind of hard to use the man advantage for revenge when the officials aren’t calling penalties on the plays. - Matt Update (11:37 PM): … IwoCPO is in fine form with his recap of last night’s game. Check it out here. - Matt [...] [...] Update (12:37 PM): George Malik links to a Windsor Star piece that points out that the Wings’ miserable power play isn’t operating in a vacuum: teams know they won’t have to pay for cheap shots as long as they’re facing the league’s worst PP percentage. I can’t disagree, though only one of the three big injury-causing cheap shots so far this season (Wiliams 1, Franzen, Williams 2 below) has resulted in a Detroit power play. Kind of hard to use the man advantage for revenge when the officials aren’t calling penalties on the plays. - Matt Update (11:37 PM): … IwoCPO is in fine form with his recap of last night’s game. Check it out here. - Matt [...]

]]> By: Matt Saler http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/11/09/wings-3-oilers-0/#comment-1045 Matt Saler Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:07:48 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/11/09/wings-3-oilers-0/#comment-1045 What I meant was, it could have been due to smack talk on Markov's part that Staios went after him in retaliation. So he is the type to do that, then? What I meant was, it could have been due to smack talk on Markov’s part that Staios went after him in retaliation. So he is the type to do that, then?

]]> By: MikeP http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/11/09/wings-3-oilers-0/#comment-1043 MikeP Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:06:32 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/11/09/wings-3-oilers-0/#comment-1043 I was thinking more that Markov said something to Staios, but it's possible that it went the other way - but since Staios got the instigator, I'd bet if it was something said, it was Markov who said it. "Hey Stevey, ask Moreau what shoulder surgery is like!" - except more profane. I know what MacKenzie thinks; the TSN crew were also convinced of it. Maybe it was just Staios being stupid for past "crimes" (vice stupid retaliation), but I have my doubts. He's a vet and hasn't done anything like that before that I'm aware of. I was thinking more that Markov said something to Staios, but it’s possible that it went the other way - but since Staios got the instigator, I’d bet if it was something said, it was Markov who said it. “Hey Stevey, ask Moreau what shoulder surgery is like!” - except more profane.

I know what MacKenzie thinks; the TSN crew were also convinced of it. Maybe it was just Staios being stupid for past “crimes” (vice stupid retaliation), but I have my doubts. He’s a vet and hasn’t done anything like that before that I’m aware of.

]]> By: Matt Saler http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/11/09/wings-3-oilers-0/#comment-1041 Matt Saler Sat, 11 Nov 2006 07:03:32 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/11/09/wings-3-oilers-0/#comment-1041 I think the officiating was just bad in general, as both teams got away with things on one hand, but were dealt BS calls on the other. You make a good point, it could have been due to smack talk that Staios went after Markov. Does Staios seem like the kind of guy to lose his temper in that way, though? I don't know myself, since the Oilers aren't my specialty. I know Bob McKenzie <a href="http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/11/10/bobby-orr-enters-the-debate/" rel="nofollow">thinks it was due to retribution</a> for the whole Stoll/Moreau thing. I was being a bit facetious about the whole nap thing. As a Wings fan used to seeing a Wings team that shies from physical play, I'm still in the process of adjusting to seeing them actually up to the task of handling contact while dishing it out in return. So, seeing the Oilers play so roughly made me a little nervous when I probably shouldn't be. I think the officiating was just bad in general, as both teams got away with things on one hand, but were dealt BS calls on the other.

You make a good point, it could have been due to smack talk that Staios went after Markov. Does Staios seem like the kind of guy to lose his temper in that way, though? I don’t know myself, since the Oilers aren’t my specialty. I know Bob McKenzie thinks it was due to retribution for the whole Stoll/Moreau thing.

I was being a bit facetious about the whole nap thing. As a Wings fan used to seeing a Wings team that shies from physical play, I’m still in the process of adjusting to seeing them actually up to the task of handling contact while dishing it out in return. So, seeing the Oilers play so roughly made me a little nervous when I probably shouldn’t be.

]]> By: MikeP http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/11/09/wings-3-oilers-0/#comment-1037 MikeP Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:32:19 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/11/09/wings-3-oilers-0/#comment-1037 Funny how two sides can watch the same game and both feel cheated by the officiating. :) I don't think it had anything to do with making up the McGeough call though. Chelios got away with one on Smith late in the game - everybody on the ice, including CC, thought he was going to go to the box, and then poof, there goes Smith. (Just as a counterpoint.) I agree on the Torres hit. I like Torres, enough that I named a workstation at work after him :) but he should have backed off on it. As you say, he certainly didn't mean to hurt him, but yeah. I'm not sure why Staios went after Markov, unless it's because of unfinished business from last game - he ran at Markov a bit after Moreau's shoulder dislocated, but there's no way he thought Markov did that to Moreau. Maybe Markov smack-talked him? Apparently DM's not above a little of that. If so, he got exactly what he wanted - a fight draw and 1/2 of Edmonton's veteran D gone for a significant period of time. And I also agree that the Markov hit on Stoll was legal and ok - Stollie had it coming. Edmonton didn't play nasty because of losing a nap, they played nasty because they were in the midst of a losing streak. After other teams couldn't buy a win against them, they fell apart. No shots in 20 minutes has got to smack too. Funny how two sides can watch the same game and both feel cheated by the officiating. :) I don’t think it had anything to do with making up the McGeough call though. Chelios got away with one on Smith late in the game - everybody on the ice, including CC, thought he was going to go to the box, and then poof, there goes Smith. (Just as a counterpoint.)

I agree on the Torres hit. I like Torres, enough that I named a workstation at work after him :) but he should have backed off on it. As you say, he certainly didn’t mean to hurt him, but yeah.

I’m not sure why Staios went after Markov, unless it’s because of unfinished business from last game - he ran at Markov a bit after Moreau’s shoulder dislocated, but there’s no way he thought Markov did that to Moreau. Maybe Markov smack-talked him? Apparently DM’s not above a little of that. If so, he got exactly what he wanted - a fight draw and 1/2 of Edmonton’s veteran D gone for a significant period of time. And I also agree that the Markov hit on Stoll was legal and ok - Stollie had it coming.

Edmonton didn’t play nasty because of losing a nap, they played nasty because they were in the midst of a losing streak. After other teams couldn’t buy a win against them, they fell apart. No shots in 20 minutes has got to smack too.

]]>