Comments on: More on Roberto Luongo http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/06/19/more-on-roberto-luongo/ by true Citizens of Hockeytown Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:31:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Brian List http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/06/19/more-on-roberto-luongo/#comment-734 Brian List Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:15:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1247#comment-734 I'm just going to trust Holland on this one, and not think about it much more. He knows his job is on the line if the Wings drop in the first round again next season, so I'm sure he'll find a way to get Luongo or whoever turns out to be the best goaltender available at the most reasonable price. But definitely the top two names on the trade list are Datsyuk and Williams. Alright, it's time to get hyped up for Game 7 tonight! Hope everyone enjoys the game! Go Oilers!!!!!!! I’m just going to trust Holland on this one, and not think about it much more. He knows his job is on the line if the Wings drop in the first round again next season, so I’m sure he’ll find a way to get Luongo or whoever turns out to be the best goaltender available at the most reasonable price. But definitely the top two names on the trade list are Datsyuk and Williams.

Alright, it’s time to get hyped up for Game 7 tonight! Hope everyone enjoys the game! Go Oilers!!!!!!!

]]> By: Matt Saler http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/06/19/more-on-roberto-luongo/#comment-733 Matt Saler Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:04:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1247#comment-733 <i>Where would Edmonton be this season without Pronger and his five year six million plus contract? Was that a bad investment? The way he's played I don't think so.</i> Pronger has proven throughout his NHL career that he is capable of playing at such a high level. He has long been one of the games top defensemen. His playoff performance has been impressive but not particularly surprising, given his history. Joseph may not have been in his prime when he signed with Detroit but he went on to Phoenix and had a good year. So he is still capable of playing well. He just had a bit of a rough time in Detroit. A lot of the reason for that was he didn't get as much work as he was used to and it became a mental game. Luongo is used to even more work and seems to thrive somewhat on it. He will not face 60 shots a game in Detroit. I'm afraid he's the type of goalie that needs the work, that needs to be the star, neither of which he will get while playing for the Wings. His negotiation demands certainly don't counter that argument. I don't think there is much comparison between Luongo and Kiprusoff, personally. Where would Edmonton be this season without Pronger and his five year six million plus contract? Was that a bad investment? The way he’s played I don’t think so.

Pronger has proven throughout his NHL career that he is capable of playing at such a high level. He has long been one of the games top defensemen. His playoff performance has been impressive but not particularly surprising, given his history.

Joseph may not have been in his prime when he signed with Detroit but he went on to Phoenix and had a good year. So he is still capable of playing well. He just had a bit of a rough time in Detroit. A lot of the reason for that was he didn’t get as much work as he was used to and it became a mental game.

Luongo is used to even more work and seems to thrive somewhat on it. He will not face 60 shots a game in Detroit. I’m afraid he’s the type of goalie that needs the work, that needs to be the star, neither of which he will get while playing for the Wings. His negotiation demands certainly don’t counter that argument.

I don’t think there is much comparison between Luongo and Kiprusoff, personally.

]]> By: Chris http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/06/19/more-on-roberto-luongo/#comment-732 Chris Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:53:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1247#comment-732 Well you have to be concerned about investing alot of money in any one player and rightly so. On the other hand if you have the opporunity to plunk down your coin on one player who during the course of a game can change the entire flow and outcome of it - investing something close to the max in them is not unwise. Where would Edmonton be this season without Pronger and his five year six million plus contract? Was that a bad investment? The way he's played I don't think so. As for Luongo, its a toss up between which of he and Kippersoff are the best goalies currently in the NHL. Luongo is under thirty he should be in the prime of his career, which I'm not sure you could have said about Joseph when he signed with Detriot. But Luongo has put on some spectacular performances without much in the way of viable goaltending in front of him, which can only improve with some support. But if the Wings are serious about resigning Lindstrom to a huge contract, I don't think that two guy's making 7 million is necessarily good tactics in this day and age. With the salary cap estimated at somewhere between 38-33 million for next year. Having 14 million locked up in only two players imposes limitations on putting together the rest of your team. Tampa Bay is rolling the dice on that front, I'm not sure its all that wise. Well you have to be concerned about investing alot of money in any one player and rightly so. On the other hand if you have the opporunity to plunk down your coin on one player who during the course of a game can change the entire flow and outcome of it - investing something close to the max in them is not unwise.

Where would Edmonton be this season without Pronger and his five year six million plus contract? Was that a bad investment? The way he’s played I don’t think so.

As for Luongo, its a toss up between which of he and Kippersoff are the best goalies currently in the NHL. Luongo is under thirty he should be in the prime of his career, which I’m not sure you could have said about Joseph when he signed with Detriot. But Luongo has put on some spectacular performances without much in the way of viable goaltending in front of him, which can only improve with some support.

But if the Wings are serious about resigning Lindstrom to a huge contract, I don’t think that two guy’s making 7 million is necessarily good tactics in this day and age. With the salary cap estimated at somewhere between 38-33 million for next year. Having 14 million locked up in only two players imposes limitations on putting together the rest of your team. Tampa Bay is rolling the dice on that front, I’m not sure its all that wise.

]]> By: Matt Saler http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/06/19/more-on-roberto-luongo/#comment-731 Matt Saler Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:23:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1247#comment-731 The Wings, apparenly, <a HREF="http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060610/SPORTS05/606100387/1053" rel="nofollow">have</A> already given up on Manny. He's no longer in the picture, having talked and played himself out of it. Luongo was drafted the <a HREF="http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1997e.html" rel="nofollow">same year as Thornton</A> (1997), in the fourth spot, beind Olli Jokinen, incidentally. (Dan Cleary was 13th that year.) He's already established himself as a big name in the business because of his performances while being shelled by the opposition in Florida. (ie. stopping 57 of 60 shots) My concern is that his stats, particularly his save percentage, are inflated and over-emphasized. He's certainly not a <I>bad</I> goalie but he <I>is</I> overrated and not worth it at that price. The Wings, apparenly, have already given up on Manny. He’s no longer in the picture, having talked and played himself out of it.

Luongo was drafted the same year as Thornton (1997), in the fourth spot, beind Olli Jokinen, incidentally. (Dan Cleary was 13th that year.)

He’s already established himself as a big name in the business because of his performances while being shelled by the opposition in Florida. (ie. stopping 57 of 60 shots)

My concern is that his stats, particularly his save percentage, are inflated and over-emphasized. He’s certainly not a bad goalie but he is overrated and not worth it at that price.

]]> By: Anonymous http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/06/19/more-on-roberto-luongo/#comment-730 Anonymous Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:03:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1247#comment-730 Also, I don't mind getting Luongo. Was he drafted the year after Thornton? I'm not sure...but Thornton wasn't a big name player until like the 02-03 season. Luongo will eventually reach potential and be like another Turco. He may not be worth the money, but he's not a bad goalie by any means. -firebird995 Also, I don’t mind getting Luongo. Was he drafted the year after Thornton? I’m not sure…but Thornton wasn’t a big name player until like the 02-03 season. Luongo will eventually reach potential and be like another Turco. He may not be worth the money, but he’s not a bad goalie by any means.

-firebird995

]]> By: Anonymous http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/06/19/more-on-roberto-luongo/#comment-729 Anonymous Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:57:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1247#comment-729 I wouldn't give up on Legace yet...Just think about Brodeur. What if the Devils gave up on him after his first 3 or so seasons? If they did, they wouldn't have the best goalie ever (yes, one day he'll pass Roy if he keeps up his pase, I've done the math already)? Anyway, I think we should give Manny another chance...Was it really his fault we lost? No. It was the Wings poor play and the lack of commitment to win. Manny should stay in Detroit, he's a great goalie, and he'll be even better next year. -firebird995 I wouldn’t give up on Legace yet…Just think about Brodeur. What if the Devils gave up on him after his first 3 or so seasons? If they did, they wouldn’t have the best goalie ever (yes, one day he’ll pass Roy if he keeps up his pase, I’ve done the math already)?

Anyway, I think we should give Manny another chance…Was it really his fault we lost? No. It was the Wings poor play and the lack of commitment to win.

Manny should stay in Detroit, he’s a great goalie, and he’ll be even better next year.

-firebird995

]]> By: Matt Saler http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/06/19/more-on-roberto-luongo/#comment-728 Matt Saler Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:53:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1247#comment-728 Thanks for breaking down the payroll, Megan. It helps to have the numbers laid out. The association of Luongo with $7 million comes from <a href="http://www.palmbeachpost.com/panthers/content/sports/epaper/2006/06/18/bigganecol_0618.html" rel="nofollow">the reports out of Florida</a> on his negotiations with the Panthers. Despite saying he wants to stay in Florida (long term deal, no-trade clause), he has turned down a five-year, $30 million deal. If it was because he's demanding more, the Wings are not going to get him to sign for even less (ie. $5 million a year). Hey, if the deal is Luongo/Jokinen for Datsyuk, maybe I'd think differently! But I can't see that happening. Same thing if it were Williams-for-Luongo, but I doubt Babcock would like seeing his pet traded. Thanks for breaking down the payroll, Megan. It helps to have the numbers laid out.

The association of Luongo with $7 million comes from the reports out of Florida on his negotiations with the Panthers. Despite saying he wants to stay in Florida (long term deal, no-trade clause), he has turned down a five-year, $30 million deal. If it was because he’s demanding more, the Wings are not going to get him to sign for even less (ie. $5 million a year).

Hey, if the deal is Luongo/Jokinen for Datsyuk, maybe I’d think differently! But I can’t see that happening. Same thing if it were Williams-for-Luongo, but I doubt Babcock would like seeing his pet traded.

]]> By: Brian List http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/06/19/more-on-roberto-luongo/#comment-727 Brian List Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:27:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1247#comment-727 Off the top of my head, I have no clue who I'd want from FLA... :) If it's player for player, I say try to shop Jason Williams (and possibly another Wing) for Luongo. That's a better deal. And wouldn't have to worry about finding a decent FLA forward as part of the package. Now that everyone knows Luongo is being shopped, his trade value is dropping. Off the top of my head, I have no clue who I’d want from FLA… :)
If it’s player for player, I say try to shop Jason Williams (and possibly another Wing) for Luongo. That’s a better deal. And wouldn’t have to worry about finding a decent FLA forward as part of the package. Now that everyone knows Luongo is being shopped, his trade value is dropping.

]]> By: Megan http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/06/19/more-on-roberto-luongo/#comment-726 Megan Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:19:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1247#comment-726 Suppose it does come with a forward. Who, exactly, from Florida would you want? On top of all the previous salary issues, let's not forget about Hudler, Bootland and Kopecky. Who knows what Holland will do there. Suppose it does come with a forward. Who, exactly, from Florida would you want?
On top of all the previous salary issues, let’s not forget about Hudler, Bootland and Kopecky. Who knows what Holland will do there.

]]> By: Brian List http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/06/19/more-on-roberto-luongo/#comment-725 Brian List Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:15:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1247#comment-725 <I>say we sign Luongo for $7 million</I> I'd only sign him for around $5M - I have no clue what his actual market value is now, given the Brad Richards signing and all that... Also, I'm hoping Yzerman doesn't come back just because it's his time to retire...that frees up money too. And remember the whole deal for Luongo should come with a top 1/2 line forward (whoever that would be on Fla)- that's my whole argument for it. If it's strictly Pavs for Luongo then the deal is idiotic. say we sign Luongo for $7 million

I’d only sign him for around $5M - I have no clue what his actual market value is now, given the Brad Richards signing and all that…

Also, I’m hoping Yzerman doesn’t come back just because it’s his time to retire…that frees up money too. And remember the whole deal for Luongo should come with a top 1/2 line forward (whoever that would be on Fla)- that’s my whole argument for it. If it’s strictly Pavs for Luongo then the deal is idiotic.

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