Comments on: Game 6: Wings 3, Oilers 4 http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/05/02/game-6-wings-3-oilers-4/ by true Citizens of Hockeytown Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:14:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Anonymous http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/05/02/game-6-wings-3-oilers-4/#comment-682 Anonymous Sun, 07 May 2006 00:07:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1222#comment-682 It is obvious that Detroit assumed they had this one in the bag as did Calgary and the Stars. In times of war never underestimate your opponent as they always have the advantage. The Oilers changed their game and Detroit didn't. It created confusion. The Sharks on the otherhand are masters of game changing and just when you have them figured out something new happens, hense the Marleau line. Detroit played a great series but they fell due to too much confidence.....NEVER ASSUME! It is obvious that Detroit assumed they had this one in the bag as did Calgary and the Stars. In times of war never underestimate your opponent as they always have the advantage. The Oilers changed their game and Detroit didn’t. It created confusion. The Sharks on the otherhand are masters of game changing and just when you have them figured out something new happens, hense the Marleau line. Detroit played a great series but they fell due to too much confidence…..NEVER ASSUME!

]]> By: Anonymous http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/05/02/game-6-wings-3-oilers-4/#comment-681 Anonymous Fri, 05 May 2006 21:21:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1222#comment-681 hockyisawayoflife, Should I assume that you are a poor official by the fact that you spell 'hockey' incorrectly in your username, or by the fact that you don't understand the rules of the game? Follow your own link and note the following: d) "Batting the puck <B>above the normal height of the shoulders</B> is prohibited." The only time the height of the crossbar comes into the equation is when: "c) an apparent goal <B>scored by an attacking player</B> when any part of <B>his stick</B> makes contact with the puck above the height of the crossbar of the goal frame shall not be allowed." Since the goal did not go in off of Horcoff's stick, it was not a high stick violation. hockyisawayoflife,

Should I assume that you are a poor official by the fact that you spell ‘hockey’ incorrectly in your username, or by the fact that you don’t understand the rules of the game?

Follow your own link and note the following:

d) “Batting the puck above the normal height of the shoulders is prohibited.”

The only time the height of the crossbar comes into the equation is when: “c) an apparent goal scored by an attacking player when any part of his stick makes contact with the puck above the height of the crossbar of the goal frame shall not be allowed.”

Since the goal did not go in off of Horcoff’s stick, it was not a high stick violation.

]]> By: hockyisawayoflife http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/05/02/game-6-wings-3-oilers-4/#comment-680 hockyisawayoflife Thu, 04 May 2006 22:37:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1222#comment-680 forgot to say....when the post creator said it wasnt the game winner, take back the goal. take back the moment, which might take back the next goal leaving the wings in a 2-1 lead. Then take away the power-plays edmonton got because of the momentum. Then you have a game 7:) forgot to say….when the post creator said it wasnt the game winner, take back the goal. take back the moment, which might take back the next goal leaving the wings in a 2-1 lead. Then take away the power-plays edmonton got because of the momentum. Then you have a game 7:)

]]> By: hockyisawayoflife http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/05/02/game-6-wings-3-oilers-4/#comment-679 hockyisawayoflife Thu, 04 May 2006 22:28:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1222#comment-679 THe kick was alright but the high stick should have been wistled down right away. plus even though it hit the jersy it was off the kick so it would still be disallowed also whoever asked if somone kicked manys glove would it still count, no it shouldnt because now its a penalty (goalie inerferience, or even roughing is what i belive they can call it).Also dont expect a western confference team to win the cup. theres a 9 out of 10 chance youll see an eastern conference team win it P.S.<B>People here don't seem to understand the rules about high sticks. The stick being higher then the crossbar only come in play if the puck goes directly from stick into the net. Otherwise a high stick is any contact with the puck above the shoulders. In slow motion contact is below the shoulders so it was fine. As for the kicking motion if there is not a good enough view to overturn the original ruling the goal stands. Bottom line one goal in a best of 7 series doesn't make the difference. The Wings should have burried the Edmonton in 5 games. Hope they pick up some heart in the offseason</B>....this is false, i should know im a ref, they use the crossbar because of height differences, or else someone like pronger could go almost a foot or so above the crossbar, and also if there isnt a good enough view then the goal is inconcluseive and disallowed.....but bottom line i belevie as a wings fan from michigan that edmoton still would have won it in game 7.....(go here http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule61.html and look at C. THe kick was alright but the high stick should have been wistled down right away. plus even though it hit the jersy it was off the kick so it would still be disallowed also whoever asked if somone kicked manys glove would it still count, no it shouldnt because now its a penalty (goalie inerferience, or even roughing is what i belive they can call it).Also dont expect a western confference team to win the cup. theres a 9 out of 10 chance youll see an eastern conference team win it
P.S.People here don’t seem to understand the rules about high sticks. The stick being higher then the crossbar only come in play if the puck goes directly from stick into the net. Otherwise a high stick is any contact with the puck above the shoulders. In slow motion contact is below the shoulders so it was fine. As for the kicking motion if there is not a good enough view to overturn the original ruling the goal stands. Bottom line one goal in a best of 7 series doesn’t make the difference. The Wings should have burried the Edmonton in 5 games. Hope they pick up some heart in the offseason….this is false, i should know im a ref, they use the crossbar because of height differences, or else someone like pronger could go almost a foot or so above the crossbar, and also if there isnt a good enough view then the goal is inconcluseive and disallowed…..but bottom line i belevie as a wings fan from michigan that edmoton still would have won it in game 7…..(go here http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule61.html and look at C.

]]> By: bd http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/05/02/game-6-wings-3-oilers-4/#comment-678 bd Wed, 03 May 2006 16:05:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1222#comment-678 I do agree with the about post. We really only need maybe one or two enforcers on the team, and that right there would be a huge change that I think could take them all the way next year. But, still, I doubt Manny will be a starter next year, and with that they will undoubtedly get rid of Manny and/or Legace. As much as we love them both, it's inevitable. I do have to say that I was plesantly surprise with Lang's performance in the playoffs, moreso than the regular season. He's always been fantastic at positioning himself, but they one thing that has always bothered me about him is that he just doesn't move his feet. This playoffs, however, I really think he took that up a notch. Get rid of him? Not a good idea if you want solid playoff play. And get rid of Lidstrom? He's an incredible hockey player. No GM would be dumb enough to get rid of a player like him. The day that happens is the day that Sean Avery plays a game without getting a penalty. It'll never happen, sorry. Get rid of Shanny? The guy's getting older, but he's still got <I>it</I>. He's a sniper. How many times has he scored from behind the net, now? It was a bad playoffs for them, yeah. They do need to figure <I>something</I> out for next year to make it work better. And they will. You can check out www.nhl.com/news/2006/05/271066.html for some updates on the Red Wings thoughts on changes so far. I do agree with the about post. We really only need maybe one or two enforcers on the team, and that right there would be a huge change that I think could take them all the way next year. But, still, I doubt Manny will be a starter next year, and with that they will undoubtedly get rid of Manny and/or Legace. As much as we love them both, it’s inevitable.

I do have to say that I was plesantly surprise with Lang’s performance in the playoffs, moreso than the regular season. He’s always been fantastic at positioning himself, but they one thing that has always bothered me about him is that he just doesn’t move his feet. This playoffs, however, I really think he took that up a notch. Get rid of him? Not a good idea if you want solid playoff play.

And get rid of Lidstrom? He’s an incredible hockey player. No GM would be dumb enough to get rid of a player like him. The day that happens is the day that Sean Avery plays a game without getting a penalty. It’ll never happen, sorry.

Get rid of Shanny? The guy’s getting older, but he’s still got it. He’s a sniper. How many times has he scored from behind the net, now?

It was a bad playoffs for them, yeah. They do need to figure something out for next year to make it work better. And they will.

You can check out http://www.nhl.com/news/2006/05/271066.html for some updates on the Red Wings thoughts on changes so far.

]]> By: Anonymous http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/05/02/game-6-wings-3-oilers-4/#comment-677 Anonymous Wed, 03 May 2006 15:18:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1222#comment-677 Many people so far have said to start getting rid of players... Why wipe out a team that was so good this year? Just because they choked in the playoffs? Here's my thoughts. Holland has done a great job getting young players. Can you believe that Datsyuk was drafted in '98? Howabout Zetterberg in '99? Both of these players were drafted in the 6th round or higher. THE 6TH ROUND OR HIGHER! That means 150 players were picked before these two. Holland knows what he is doing with the team, the Wing's scouting is absolutely amazing. I know that any changes Holland makes will be appropriate and for the better of the team. The Wings chemistry is something I'm sure he won't want to mess with. He will look for gritty players and others that will add physical aspects to the game in order to give the Wings that drive in the playoffs. As for Lidstrom and Lang, you are crazy (or just mentally insane) if you want to let them go after one bad playoff performance. Lidstrom is without a doubt the best PLAYER in hockey. Not Forsberg, not Thornton, not Jagr- Lidstrom (80+ points this season??? That's got Norris all over it). So, the Wings offseason should be interesting. They'll rest a bit and come back next year with a Cup winning team with some familiar faces. -firebird995 Many people so far have said to start getting rid of players…

Why wipe out a team that was so good this year? Just because they choked in the playoffs?

Here’s my thoughts. Holland has done a great job getting young players. Can you believe that Datsyuk was drafted in ‘98? Howabout Zetterberg in ‘99? Both of these players were drafted in the 6th round or higher. THE 6TH ROUND OR HIGHER! That means 150 players were picked before these two. Holland knows what he is doing with the team, the Wing’s scouting is absolutely amazing. I know that any changes Holland makes will be appropriate and for the better of the team.

The Wings chemistry is something I’m sure he won’t want to mess with. He will look for gritty players and others that will add physical aspects to the game in order to give the Wings that drive in the playoffs. As for Lidstrom and Lang, you are crazy (or just mentally insane) if you want to let them go after one bad playoff performance. Lidstrom is without a doubt the best PLAYER in hockey. Not Forsberg, not Thornton, not Jagr- Lidstrom (80+ points this season??? That’s got Norris all over it).

So, the Wings offseason should be interesting. They’ll rest a bit and come back next year with a Cup winning team with some familiar faces.

-firebird995

]]> By: oilerguy http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/05/02/game-6-wings-3-oilers-4/#comment-676 oilerguy Wed, 03 May 2006 05:43:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1222#comment-676 Gabriel P and others, thanks for the magnanimous words. Gabriel P and others, thanks for the magnanimous words.

]]> By: greatwhitebear http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/05/02/game-6-wings-3-oilers-4/#comment-675 greatwhitebear Wed, 03 May 2006 02:12:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1222#comment-675 Besides the play of Zetterberg, it's hard to find many silver linings. But I have two, rookies Nick Kronwall and Brett Lebda. They were the Wings two best defensmen during the series, and both, especially Kronwall, drew high praise from both the CBC and Edmonton broadcasters. Besides the play of Zetterberg, it’s hard to find many silver linings. But I have two, rookies Nick Kronwall and Brett Lebda. They were the Wings two best defensmen during the series, and both, especially Kronwall, drew high praise from both the CBC and Edmonton broadcasters.

]]> By: bd http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/05/02/game-6-wings-3-oilers-4/#comment-674 bd Wed, 03 May 2006 01:49:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1222#comment-674 P.S.: I'd also like to add that Osgood and Legace are both unsigned for next season. Anything can happen with that. P.S.: I’d also like to add that Osgood and Legace are both unsigned for next season. Anything can happen with that.

]]> By: BD http://onthewingsblog.com/2006/05/02/game-6-wings-3-oilers-4/#comment-673 BD Wed, 03 May 2006 01:46:00 +0000 http://onthewingsblog.com/?p=1222#comment-673 I can't help but think that the poster that repeatedly typed "MANNY!!!" is an Oiler fan who doesn't feel like he/she got enough taunting in during the series. I feel bad for Manny. Not because of the taunting. Hell, it's hockey! It comes with the game (I've had my fair share of booing Pronger :) ). He wasn't ready for the playoffs and warned everyone that he didn't feel suitable. I commend the Wings for being so supportive about Manny and trying to boost his confidence throughout the playoffs, but when a goalie says, "I can't do it," it's usually a good indication that he doesn't have the confidence to make the big saves needed for the playoffs. And now Manny is saying things like, "I feel hollow inside" and that he wanted to go home and hang himself after the game. Yikes. I love Manny, I really do. I don't blame him for anything. The Wings just didn't work it as a team, and I refuse to blame any one individual for that. BUT, he shouldn't have been in that net. Nothing is worse than an unconfident, demoralized goalie in the playoffs. I can guarentee that next year, Manny won't be a starter. I predict either Manny or Osgood will be let go and they will sign on a new goalie. I could be wrong, but we'll see. I can’t help but think that the poster that repeatedly typed “MANNY!!!” is an Oiler fan who doesn’t feel like he/she got enough taunting in during the series.

I feel bad for Manny. Not because of the taunting. Hell, it’s hockey! It comes with the game (I’ve had my fair share of booing Pronger :) ).

He wasn’t ready for the playoffs and warned everyone that he didn’t feel suitable. I commend the Wings for being so supportive about Manny and trying to boost his confidence throughout the playoffs, but when a goalie says, “I can’t do it,” it’s usually a good indication that he doesn’t have the confidence to make the big saves needed for the playoffs. And now Manny is saying things like, “I feel hollow inside” and that he wanted to go home and hang himself after the game. Yikes.

I love Manny, I really do. I don’t blame him for anything. The Wings just didn’t work it as a team, and I refuse to blame any one individual for that. BUT, he shouldn’t have been in that net. Nothing is worse than an unconfident, demoralized goalie in the playoffs.

I can guarentee that next year, Manny won’t be a starter. I predict either Manny or Osgood will be let go and they will sign on a new goalie. I could be wrong, but we’ll see.

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