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	<title>Comments on: Datsyuk, Delmore, and Legace news</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://onthewingsblog.com/2005/08/23/datsyuk-delmore-and-legace-news/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with anoymous when he says the nhl is no longer the best hockey league. If they have a limited amount of money they can pay all-star players, where is the incentive?  If i were foreign i wouldn't think twice about staying in my home country after the new CBA was put in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with anoymous when he says the nhl is no longer the best hockey league. If they have a limited amount of money they can pay all-star players, where is the incentive?  If i were foreign i wouldn&#8217;t think twice about staying in my home country after the new CBA was put in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey</title>
		<link>http://onthewingsblog.com/2005/08/23/datsyuk-delmore-and-legace-news/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm getting more concerned about Holland signing Datsyuk and Zetterberg, especially with all the talk in the papers and on AM 1270. Whatever it takes, Holland should be able to get both players signed with the $7 million left. If it's not enough, he'll have to look at trades or structure the contracts like Hossa's, with the salary increasing in later years. Not sure if there's any averaging, though.

I agree that Datsyuk doesn't seem like the type to make these bold demands either. The Greenstein-Datsyuk situation sounds a lot like Michael Peca-Don Meehan back in his days in Buffalo. Sometimes it looks like agents turn nice guys into greedy, anti-compromising players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting more concerned about Holland signing Datsyuk and Zetterberg, especially with all the talk in the papers and on AM 1270. Whatever it takes, Holland should be able to get both players signed with the $7 million left. If it&#8217;s not enough, he&#8217;ll have to look at trades or structure the contracts like Hossa&#8217;s, with the salary increasing in later years. Not sure if there&#8217;s any averaging, though.</p>
<p>I agree that Datsyuk doesn&#8217;t seem like the type to make these bold demands either. The Greenstein-Datsyuk situation sounds a lot like Michael Peca-Don Meehan back in his days in Buffalo. Sometimes it looks like agents turn nice guys into greedy, anti-compromising players.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy</title>
		<link>http://onthewingsblog.com/2005/08/23/datsyuk-delmore-and-legace-news/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it's looking more and more like Datsyuk will play for Dynamo. He's practicing with the team and playing in a tourney with the team. He'd be close to home (and apparently Moscow is becoming a much nicer place to live). He would make more money. And as much as I want the Wings to sign Datsyuk, if they can't make an agreement after a year of negotiations and he can get that much money tax-free, I don't necessarily blame him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it&#8217;s looking more and more like Datsyuk will play for Dynamo. He&#8217;s practicing with the team and playing in a tourney with the team. He&#8217;d be close to home (and apparently Moscow is becoming a much nicer place to live). He would make more money. And as much as I want the Wings to sign Datsyuk, if they can&#8217;t make an agreement after a year of negotiations and he can get that much money tax-free, I don&#8217;t necessarily blame him.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://onthewingsblog.com/2005/08/23/datsyuk-delmore-and-legace-news/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do people continue to demonize players and their agents? This salary cap everyone is applauding means that players like Datsyuk will get bids from other leagues that are as good or better than what they can get from NHL teams. 

Wouldn't you want to maximize your earnings? Or do you demand to be paid like people in China or Mexico are being paid, so things are fair for everyone?

The Red Wings risk a very quick slide into mediocrity or worse if they don't sign at least their RFAs, but maybe they don't care any more. Maybe the windfall of money they make because of the salary cap is enough for them now. 

Isn't that the new American way? ...to screw the long term in favor of the short? 

Ken Holland has demonstrated exactly what since the ratification of the new CBA? Why, on Earth, do you have any faith in him? 

With Datsyuk it comes down to this- if you were offered comparable or better wages to play close to home, tax-free, where would you play? That the NHL is the "world's best league" doesn't carry any weight any longer. 

The emperor is naked. Get used to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do people continue to demonize players and their agents? This salary cap everyone is applauding means that players like Datsyuk will get bids from other leagues that are as good or better than what they can get from NHL teams. </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you want to maximize your earnings? Or do you demand to be paid like people in China or Mexico are being paid, so things are fair for everyone?</p>
<p>The Red Wings risk a very quick slide into mediocrity or worse if they don&#8217;t sign at least their RFAs, but maybe they don&#8217;t care any more. Maybe the windfall of money they make because of the salary cap is enough for them now. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that the new American way? &#8230;to screw the long term in favor of the short? </p>
<p>Ken Holland has demonstrated exactly what since the ratification of the new CBA? Why, on Earth, do you have any faith in him? </p>
<p>With Datsyuk it comes down to this- if you were offered comparable or better wages to play close to home, tax-free, where would you play? That the NHL is the &#8220;world&#8217;s best league&#8221; doesn&#8217;t carry any weight any longer. </p>
<p>The emperor is naked. Get used to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian List</title>
		<link>http://onthewingsblog.com/2005/08/23/datsyuk-delmore-and-legace-news/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian List</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and it's Greenstin, not "Greenstein," if the NHLPA is to be trusted (I've seen it spelled minus the "e" in the DetNews, TSN, Freep as well):

http://www.nhlpa.com/Agents/Agent.asp?AgentId=8658

Gary's office phone number is on there too :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and it&#8217;s Greenstin, not &#8220;Greenstein,&#8221; if the NHLPA is to be trusted (I&#8217;ve seen it spelled minus the &#8220;e&#8221; in the DetNews, TSN, Freep as well):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nhlpa.com/Agents/Agent.asp?AgentId=8658" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.nhlpa.com');">http://www.nhlpa.com/Agents/Agent.asp?AgentId=8658</a></p>
<p>Gary&#8217;s office phone number is on there too <img src='http://onthewingsblog.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Brian List</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian List</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Pavel's skating with the team as he should be. I'd rather have him be active than not.He probably thinks he's going to end up there anyway, given how things have been going on this end because of his agent.&lt;/I&gt;

It's more than a conditioning stint: there's a significant offer on the table and he's gearing up for a season with Dynamo.  So it's not about him being &lt;I&gt;active than not&lt;/I&gt; like you said but where it's happening and the circumstances of why it's happening.  I find no comfort in Pavel being active when all signs point to him staying in Russia anyways.  

&lt;I&gt;If he's based in California, there's an even bigger discrepency in time and it makes it all the more difficult for him to really be representing his clients wishes.&lt;/I&gt;

My point is that Holland is complaining about having a hard time getting in contact with Greenstin, ie phone-tag.  A 3-hour difference should be no problem for Holland.

As for Pavel, if we're over a year into negotiations and just now bringing up the issue of time zone differences for him and his agent, that's just completely ridiculous.  Ever heard of email? If Pavs hasn't conveyed his wishes yet or has let Greenstin run wild, then Pavel is a complete idiot.  I tend to think he's not.  I trust the guy knows what he's doing when he's practicing with Dynamo with an offer on the table and it's a week before the Sept 1 deadline.  

&lt;I&gt;The Wings should fly them both out to Detroit and talk face-to-face. There's no reason to spare expenses in this case.&lt;/I&gt;

Exactly, I was thinking the same thing.  That's maybe $4000 in roundtrip airline costs but well worth it.  Along these lines, I wouldn't be surprised if Greenstin has visited Pavel in Russia a few times.  That's a pretty routine thing for agents to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Pavel&#8217;s skating with the team as he should be. I&#8217;d rather have him be active than not.He probably thinks he&#8217;s going to end up there anyway, given how things have been going on this end because of his agent.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s more than a conditioning stint: there&#8217;s a significant offer on the table and he&#8217;s gearing up for a season with Dynamo.  So it&#8217;s not about him being <i>active than not</i> like you said but where it&#8217;s happening and the circumstances of why it&#8217;s happening.  I find no comfort in Pavel being active when all signs point to him staying in Russia anyways.  </p>
<p><i>If he&#8217;s based in California, there&#8217;s an even bigger discrepency in time and it makes it all the more difficult for him to really be representing his clients wishes.</i></p>
<p>My point is that Holland is complaining about having a hard time getting in contact with Greenstin, ie phone-tag.  A 3-hour difference should be no problem for Holland.</p>
<p>As for Pavel, if we&#8217;re over a year into negotiations and just now bringing up the issue of time zone differences for him and his agent, that&#8217;s just completely ridiculous.  Ever heard of email? If Pavs hasn&#8217;t conveyed his wishes yet or has let Greenstin run wild, then Pavel is a complete idiot.  I tend to think he&#8217;s not.  I trust the guy knows what he&#8217;s doing when he&#8217;s practicing with Dynamo with an offer on the table and it&#8217;s a week before the Sept 1 deadline.  </p>
<p><i>The Wings should fly them both out to Detroit and talk face-to-face. There&#8217;s no reason to spare expenses in this case.</i></p>
<p>Exactly, I was thinking the same thing.  That&#8217;s maybe $4000 in roundtrip airline costs but well worth it.  Along these lines, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Greenstin has visited Pavel in Russia a few times.  That&#8217;s a pretty routine thing for agents to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Saler</title>
		<link>http://onthewingsblog.com/2005/08/23/datsyuk-delmore-and-legace-news/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Saler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he's based in California, there's an even bigger discrepency in time and it makes it all the more difficult for him to really be representing his clients wishes. 

Maybe Pavel really has become greedy but I don't think Greenstein is exactly a moderating influence. 

Pavel's skating with the team as he should be. I'd rather have him be active than not. He probably thinks he's going to end up there anyway, given how things have been going on this end because of his agent. The Wings should fly them both out to Detroit and talk face-to-face. There's no reason to spare expenses in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he&#8217;s based in California, there&#8217;s an even bigger discrepency in time and it makes it all the more difficult for him to really be representing his clients wishes. </p>
<p>Maybe Pavel really has become greedy but I don&#8217;t think Greenstein is exactly a moderating influence. </p>
<p>Pavel&#8217;s skating with the team as he should be. I&#8217;d rather have him be active than not. He probably thinks he&#8217;s going to end up there anyway, given how things have been going on this end because of his agent. The Wings should fly them both out to Detroit and talk face-to-face. There&#8217;s no reason to spare expenses in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greenstein has been leading Pavel down the wrong path so far. I think also, Pavel has placed to much faith in this guy. Greenstein, as far as I can tell, in primarliy only concerned with his own take which is why he has been pushing for money in the 4M ballpark. Pavel hasn't, to me, proven he's worth that yet? Soon he will be, but not yet. Additinally, his market value is not there yet either. Greenstein is a Bag O Deez!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenstein has been leading Pavel down the wrong path so far. I think also, Pavel has placed to much faith in this guy. Greenstein, as far as I can tell, in primarliy only concerned with his own take which is why he has been pushing for money in the 4M ballpark. Pavel hasn&#8217;t, to me, proven he&#8217;s worth that yet? Soon he will be, but not yet. Additinally, his market value is not there yet either. Greenstein is a Bag O Deez!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian List</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian List</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;The fact that he has to fly to Moscow to discuss options indicates he hasn't been keeping Pavel up to date anyway.&lt;/I&gt;

The fact that Pavel is practicing with Dynamo a week before the September 1 deadline indicates a lot too.  

I don't think Pavel is as innocent or in-the-dark as we think.  Just because he doesn't speak English well doesn't mean he's a push-over.  I guess we're just seeing this side of him for the first time now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The fact that he has to fly to Moscow to discuss options indicates he hasn&#8217;t been keeping Pavel up to date anyway.</i></p>
<p>The fact that Pavel is practicing with Dynamo a week before the September 1 deadline indicates a lot too.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Pavel is as innocent or in-the-dark as we think.  Just because he doesn&#8217;t speak English well doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s a push-over.  I guess we&#8217;re just seeing this side of him for the first time now.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Saler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Saler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just find it hard to believe that Pavel went from being this shy, quiet guy to suddenly becoming a player making big demands. If Greenstein's doing the day-to-day work of negotiating with Holland without the benefit of seeing Pavel face-to-face, he can't be representing his client's wishes as well as he might. 

The fact that he has to fly to Moscow to discuss options indicates he hasn't been keeping Pavel up to date anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just find it hard to believe that Pavel went from being this shy, quiet guy to suddenly becoming a player making big demands. If Greenstein&#8217;s doing the day-to-day work of negotiating with Holland without the benefit of seeing Pavel face-to-face, he can&#8217;t be representing his client&#8217;s wishes as well as he might. </p>
<p>The fact that he has to fly to Moscow to discuss options indicates he hasn&#8217;t been keeping Pavel up to date anyway.</p>
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